Re: [TLS] Some comments on draft-rescorla-tls-esni-00

2018-07-20 Thread Eric Rescorla
John, Thanks for your comments. It's good to know that someone has already done this! On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 12:52 PM, John Mattsson wrote: > Hi, > > I looked through the draft, mainly focusing on the crypto parts. This is > more or less ECIES, but with a more modern style of key derivation

[TLS] Some comments on draft-rescorla-tls-esni-00

2018-07-20 Thread John Mattsson
Hi, I looked through the draft, mainly focusing on the crypto parts. This is more or less ECIES, but with a more modern style of key derivation that most existing standards. This solution is very similar to the standardized 3GPP identity encryption (SUCI) with the difference that the static

Re: [TLS] Proposed changes to draft-ietf-tls-subcerts

2018-07-20 Thread Patton,Christopher J
> Because it means that if the client does not understand DC, then it must > reject the certificate, ... This is the desired behavior, as far as I understand. > ... but if client understands DC, it can accept it even in non-DC contexts. I don't see why this is nonsensical. One way to understand

Re: [TLS] Doubts about a solution or new service/protocol

2018-07-20 Thread Hubert Kario
On Friday, 20 July 2018 17:41:23 CEST Walter Neto wrote: > Hi guys, after I saw I did not express myself clearly I decided to write > this message trying to do that. > > The actors: > A - The business company that needs to emitt the invoice; > B - The Brazilian Internal Revenue Service, who

Re: [TLS] Doubts about a solution or new service/protocol

2018-07-20 Thread Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
IMHO no it doesn't. TLS is just a way to provide secure pipes between the communicating entities. Making long-term signatures that persist after the connection is dropped had never been on the site of TLS. Regards, Uri Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2018, at 11:42, Walter Neto wrote: > >

Re: [TLS] Proposed changes to draft-ietf-tls-subcerts

2018-07-20 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 08:39:11PM +, Patton,Christopher J wrote: > > Now let's check the converse. Suppose that the crit=true. Is it valid > for strict to be false? Yes, because the extension being critical > only means that the client has to understand DC in order to accept > the

Re: [TLS] Doubts about a solution or new service/protocol

2018-07-20 Thread Walter Neto
Hi guys, after I saw I did not express myself clearly I decided to write this message trying to do that. The actors: A - The business company that needs to emitt the invoice; B - The Brazilian Internal Revenue Service, who requires "A" to emit invoices using "B" webservices; C - The software

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moriarty-tls-oldversions-diediedie-00.txt

2018-07-20 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 07/09/2018 05:40 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Stephen and I posted the draft below to see if the TLS working group > is ready to take steps to deprecate TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1. There has > been a recent drop off in usage for web applications due to the PCI > Council recommendation to move off

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 08:42:47AM -0400, David Benjamin wrote: > > (I suspect using the same key with TLS1.2-PRF-SHA256 and HKDF-SHA256 is > probably *more* risky than mixing HKDF-SHA256 and HKDF-SHA384. I don't > think we actually believe SHA256 and SHA384 give related output. It's just > nice

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread David Benjamin
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 7:39 AM Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > On Fri, 2018-07-20 at 02:38 -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > > > > > This is somewhat timely, as if we do want to introduce a > > > restriction, > > > > it > > > > would ideally be in the form of some text in the TLS 1.3 > > > >

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 4:39 AM, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > On Fri, 2018-07-20 at 02:38 -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > > > > > This is somewhat timely, as if we do want to introduce a > > > restriction, > > > > it > > > > would ideally be in the form of some text in the TLS 1.3 > > > >

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Fri, 2018-07-20 at 02:38 -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > > > This is somewhat timely, as if we do want to introduce a > > restriction, > > > it > > > would ideally be in the form of some text in the TLS 1.3 > > > specification, > > > which is very nearly done. > > > > > > It would be good

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 3:43 AM, Ilari Liusvaara wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:43:48AM +0100, Matt Caswell wrote: > > > > > > On 20/07/18 10:38, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > The issue is not cross-protocol attacks; it's the reuse of PSKs with > > > different KDFs, which we don't have any

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:43:48AM +0100, Matt Caswell wrote: > > > On 20/07/18 10:38, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > The issue is not cross-protocol attacks; it's the reuse of PSKs with > > different KDFs, which we don't have any analysis for and which the TLS > > 1.3 document prohibits. > > Can you

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread Matt Caswell
On 20/07/18 10:38, Eric Rescorla wrote: > The issue is not cross-protocol attacks; it's the reuse of PSKs with > different KDFs, which we don't have any analysis for and which the TLS > 1.3 document prohibits. Can you supply the reference for that prohibition? Thanks Matt

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 12:29 AM, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > On Thu, 2018-07-19 at 18:00 -0500, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As I mentioned at the mic today, there is a question that has been > > raised about whether it's wise to reuse an existing (TLS 1.2) PSK > > directly in

[TLS] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC2712 (5432)

2018-07-20 Thread RFC Errata System
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC2712, "Addition of Kerberos Cipher Suites to Transport Layer Security (TLS)". -- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5432 -- Type:

Re: [TLS] on sharing PSKs between TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3

2018-07-20 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Thu, 2018-07-19 at 18:00 -0500, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > Hi all, > > As I mentioned at the mic today, there is a question that has been > raised about whether it's wise to reuse an existing (TLS 1.2) PSK > directly in the TLS 1.3 key ladder. At a high level, the reason why > one > might want