[TLS] I-D: TLS += Kerberos (provides Quantum Relief for DH)

2020-02-24 Thread Rick van Rein
Hello, We have prepared the following draft, and request feedback on it. The main points are * Introduction of (anonymous) Kerberos tickets as added entropy to mix with ECDH, and thereby provide Quantum Relief; it generalises this idea to allow for other ways of adding entropy * Introduction o

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer

2020-02-24 Thread Jonathan Hoyland
This would be for cases where we want to inject extra context into a resumption. That would be anything that changes an authentication property, so for example if you wanted to include some agreement on the status of a post-handshake auth or Exported Authenticator. So for example imagine I had a s

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer

2020-02-24 Thread Rob Sayre
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:50 PM Christopher Wood wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Rob Sayre wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 8:35 AM Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:08 PM Rob Sayre wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> I'm not sure how violations

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer

2020-02-24 Thread David Benjamin
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:33 PM Jonathan Hoyland wrote: > Just looking at this again, it might be better to make a slightly > different tweak to the key schedule. > Instead of: > > 0 > | > v > PSK -> HKDF-Extract = Early Secret >

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer

2020-02-24 Thread Jonathan Hoyland
Just looking at this again, it might be better to make a slightly different tweak to the key schedule. Instead of: 0 | v PSK -> HKDF-Extract = Early Secret | +-> Derive-Secret(., "ext binder"

Re: [TLS] WGLC for draft-ietf-tls-external-psk-importer

2020-02-24 Thread Christopher Wood
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Rob Sayre wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 8:35 AM Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:08 PM Rob Sayre wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm not sure how violations of these requirements would result in poor > >> interoperability: > >> >

Re: [TLS] ESNI/ECHO updates

2020-02-24 Thread Rob Sayre
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 1:36 AM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > On 24/02/2020 03:57, Christopher Wood wrote: > > We’re actively analyzing ECHO. As of now, we expect this to complete > > in March, > > I would welcome seeing that done in a more open > manner. > I took this to mean a ProVerif

Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of draft-stebila-tls-hybrid-design

2020-02-24 Thread Russ Housley
> On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: > > On 21/02/2020 22:11, Watson Ladd wrote: > >> https://blog.cloudflare.com/towards-post-quantum-cryptography-in-tls/ >> https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-tls-post-quantum-experiment/ >> >> This was also presented at the NIST standardiza

Re: [TLS] Call for Adoption: draft-stebila-tls-hybrid-design

2020-02-24 Thread Dan Brown
I support rapid adoption, if only based on general principles, as elaborated below. *** I have not studied the draft in detail, but I think that strongest-link security is important to allow, the sooner the better, for those that can afford it, I think the benefit is worth cost. I th

Re: [TLS] ESNI/ECHO updates

2020-02-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 24/02/2020 03:57, Christopher Wood wrote: > We’re actively analyzing ECHO. As of now, we expect this to complete > in March, I would welcome seeing that done in a more open manner. S. 0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digita