[TLS] RFC 8879 on TLS Certificate Compression

2020-12-01 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8879 Title: TLS Certificate Compression Author: A. Ghedini, V. Vasiliev Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date:

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread STARK, BARBARA H
> >I would suggest the strong, unambiguous statement with explanation > for > >why the statement is being made. > > Yes. > > >There is no need to describe (possible) exceptions. > > My opinion is exactly the opposite. Do describe the exceptions, as precisely > and

Re: [TLS] TLS Manual: Call for contributions

2020-12-01 Thread Ben Smyth
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at 12:09, Ben Smyth wrote: > I previously announced a TLS manual, intended to ease readers into the > most recent specification...I'm far from perfect and I'm sure the > manuscript houses numerous deficiencies. > Speaking of imperfections, I neglected to share a URL for a

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
>I would suggest the strong, unambiguous statement with explanation for >why the statement is being made. Yes. >There is no need to describe (possible) exceptions. My opinion is exactly the opposite. Do describe the exceptions, as precisely and unambiguously as you

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread STARK, BARBARA H
> It is incredibly difficult to draw a line so precisely as to where the threat > to a > device begins and ends, given the wide range of deployment scenarios. If a > device can be at all critical (and even if it isn’t), then it should be > upgraded or > replaced. Better that this be out there

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Olle E. Johansson
> On 1 Dec 2020, at 16:21, Salz, Rich wrote: > >> And how will the people who can ignore it know that it's OK for them to do >> so? > > Well, frankly, that's not our problem. If someone is going to blindly insist > on RFC conformance and doesn't recognize the wording that says "might not

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Salz, Rich
>And how will the people who can ignore it know that it's OK for them to do > so? Well, frankly, that's not our problem. If someone is going to blindly insist on RFC conformance and doesn't recognize the wording that says "might not apply to you" ... well, so be it. I am more concerned

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Eliot Lear
It is incredibly difficult to draw a line so precisely as to where the threat to a device begins and ends, given the wide range of deployment scenarios. If a device can be at all critical (and even if it isn’t), then it should be upgraded or replaced. Better that this be out there in its

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
Salz, Rich writes: >The right thing to do, from a security viewpoint, is DO NOT USE TLS 1.0 OR >TLS 1.1 If you have special circumstances, then do not follow the RFC (once >published). And how will the people who can ignore it know that it's OK for them to do so? Once it's published, everyone

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Salz, Rich
On 12/1/20, 4:29 AM, "Peter Gutmann" wrote: Stephen Farrell writes: >That said, if someone had words to suggest that might garner consensus, that >would be good. I think all it needs is something along the lines of "This BCP applies to TLS as used on the public

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Salz, Rich
The right thing to do, from a security viewpoint, is DO NOT USE TLS 1.0 OR TLS 1.1 If you have special circumstances, then do not follow the RFC (once published). If not following the RFC makes some people uncomfortable, that’s their bug. We should not water down our recommendations.

Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-vvv-tls-cross-sni-resumption

2020-12-01 Thread Salz, Rich
I support the draft and will review. ___ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Keith Moore
On 12/1/20 4:29 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: I think all it needs is something along the lines of "This BCP applies to TLS as used on the public Internet [Not part of the text but meaning the area that the IETF creates standards for]. Not specifically relevant to this draft, but:  Is it actually

[TLS] TLS Manual: Call for contributions

2020-12-01 Thread Ben Smyth
I previously announced a TLS manual, intended to ease readers into the most recent specification. (At the very least, it helped me get to grips with the spec!) I've now made the manual available on GitHub: https://github.com/BenSmyth/tls-tutorial/ I'm far from perfect and I'm sure the

Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

2020-12-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
Stephen Farrell writes: >That said, if someone had words to suggest that might garner consensus, that >would be good. I think all it needs is something along the lines of "This BCP applies to TLS as used on the public Internet [Not part of the text but meaning the area that the IETF creates