Re: [TLS] "Notes" column in draft-ietf-tls-rfc8447bis?

2023-12-05 Thread John Mattsson
Yes, I think information regarding if a cipher suite is for TLS 1.3 is very needed to have. I already asked for that in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/0gDKfXJvAemFDm7MWcS1DTDVIe8/ In addition, I would also like to information if the cipher suite can be used in QUIC. (It is very

[TLS] Adoption call for 'TLS 1.2 Feature Freeze'

2023-12-05 Thread Deirdre Connolly
At the TLS meeting at IETF 118 there was significant support for the draft 'TLS 1.2 is in Feature Freeze' ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rsalz-tls-tls12-frozen/) This call is to confirm this on the list. Please indicate if you support the adoption of this draft and are willing to

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-05 Thread Christian Huitema
On 12/5/2023 10:56 AM, Russ Housley wrote: On Dec 5, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: On 12/5/2023 8:13 AM, Russ Housley wrote: At IETF 104, I presented a slide with informal reasoning about TLS 1.3 Security. Authentication: The certificate processing is exactly the same. It

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-05 Thread Russ Housley
> On Dec 5, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: > > On 12/5/2023 8:13 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> At IETF 104, I presented a slide with informal reasoning about TLS 1.3 >> Security. >> Authentication: >> The certificate processing is exactly the same. It is not better or worse. >> Key

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-05 Thread Eric Rescorla
Thanks. This is interesting, but I think we should have a higher standard than informal reasoning. We know that there have been challenges around the composition of PSK and certificates in the past (see Appendix E.1 of RFC 8446), so I think that's especially true in this case. -Ekr On Tue, Dec

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-05 Thread Christian Huitema
On 12/5/2023 8:13 AM, Russ Housley wrote: At IETF 104, I presented a slide with informal reasoning about TLS 1.3 Security. Authentication: The certificate processing is exactly the same. It is not better or worse. Key Schedule computation of Early Secret: – Initial Handshake Without

Re: [TLS] Call to Move RFC 8773 from Experimental to Standards Track

2023-12-05 Thread Russ Housley
At IETF 104, I presented a slide with informal reasoning about TLS 1.3 Security. Authentication: The certificate processing is exactly the same. It is not better or worse. Key Schedule computation of Early Secret: – Initial Handshake Without extension: HKDF-Extract(0, 0) With