Many thanks Dean, Carl, Mike, Joel and the rest of you who shared your opinions
about "why so many", probably I missed the point that 3 or 4 db in directivity
loss because of deeps is much more important that I figured out and that could
make a difference in a QSO or not.
Keep in mind that with
Speaking of which... how do running stations monitor/switch between
receive antennas
on 160? Some may have them fed to diversity reception (left ear and right
ear)
but my primitive setup just has a foot pedal that lets me pick K9AY loop
direction.
For these guys who have twelve beverages, wow, I
Come on Carl! You're just being provocative. Someone may take that
seriously. You know very well that only the physical length matters
for narrowing the lobe.
Bob VE7BS
Hi Bob,
You have the right idea from the standpoint that 1500 feet of wire in a
100-foot linear spatial distance is stil
So if the League is going to persist with this antiquated rule is
someone at HQ writing down the calls of all the violators? Will there be
disqualifications?
73/Jon AA1K
On 12/1/2012 3:20 PM, Missouri Guy wrote:
Carol, N2MM
Rule 6.1 for the ARRL 160...
"The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should
On 12/1/2012 1:11 PM, David Raymond wrote:
You smaller stations, particularly QRP, most of the bigger stations will really
work hard to pull you through for a successful QSO.
Some harder than others. W0SD gave my QRP signal a real good try early
in the evening, but couldn't get the exchange.
Thank you Mike. I did not know of the velocity factor parameters when
I made my practical experiments many years ago, and gave up when I ran
into anti-phasing and excessive broadening of the lobe. I see now
from Tom's paper that if one knows just what one is doing, a Slinky
could be useful.
Jon's explanations below of what he has to go through to find the right
receiving antenna is not too untypical from a larger station. As I
mentioned in my "Patience in ARRL 160 Contest" post, Jon's post explains
exactly why those with weak signals need to be patient with regard to being
asked
That´s mean SA-NA also or just NA/SA to EU?
73.
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
-Mensaje original-
De: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] En nombre de Missouri
Guy
Enviado el: sábado, 01 de diciembre de 2012 18:21
Para: n...@comcast.net; topband@contesting.com
Asunto: Re: Topband: DX WINDO
Dave's observation regarding us QRPers being patient as the bigger stations
will work hard to pull us through is spot on! PJ2T, for instance, tried VERY
hard to work me this morning but no joy and it wasn't 'cuz he hadn't worked his
burtt off to get my call in the log.
I agree that the bigge
Tim,
I use a very cumbersome combination of switch boxes. One of the things
on my list to improve.
The primary selector is a B&W 3-position switch which in turn selects
three other six-position B&W switches. (I have about 18 Bevs in use!).
The 3-position switch is marked for "W, S, NE."
Th
> Skimmer is assisted
A local skimmer is only assistance in the same way that having a
computer call CQ or send a report instead of having another operator
call CQ or send a report is "assisted". Successful contesting consists
of three *operating* activities - sending, receiving and logging. I
Fellow Lowbanders and Contesters. . .
I'm reminded of some not so new wisdom from operating the contest last night.
Big stations, don't forget to listen for the weak signals. It may be well be
DX calling you among the cacophony of stateside callers. It pays periodically
to stop and ask for D
And, pray tell, how does a W or VE solicit "international QSOs" in that segment?
IF (and I emphasize the IF) such a rule is desired, wouldn't it be smarter to
have it read something along the lines of "Only non-W/VE stations may call CQ
in the segment 1.830 to 1.835."?
Bud, W2RU
On Dec 1, 2012
Carol, N2MM
Rule 6.1 for the ARRL 160...
"The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for
intercontinental QSOs only".
Note that it says "should be". IMHO, following the suggestion
just makes the contest more fun for everyone.
Charlie, N0TT
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 00:54:30 -0500 "Carol Richards"
Sam, remember the opposite can and is true. I called you near the beginning
of this contest and you didn't hear me.
Doug/VA5DX
-Original Message-
Spent whole night 2200z-0600z with 49 QSO's in the LOG.
Find one moment free frequence to call CQ. 1 call back to me from VE.
That's all. Ful
The ARRL contest is still challenging regardless especially when you have in
house issues:) A few lingering antenna and computer issues have finally been
resolved and now I look forward to the Saturday grind.
Unfortunately, I spent more time listening and fixing rather than operating. I
was hea
Not to get off topic but the ops calling cq test in the dx window last night
... That stinks for the rest of us. As for skimmer, I am taking the mentality
of "are we suppose to disallow DSP filters too?" As newer and not so newer rigs
just have technology as part of rig's workings, especially
It does?
http://www.w8ji.com/slinky_and_loaded_beverages.htm
Maybe Tom and Carl are both in on this conspiracy. ;-)
73, Mike
www.w0btu.com
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Bob Eldridge wrote:
> You know very well that only the physical length matters for narrowing
> the lobe.
>
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Please let us know how that works, Carl. I'd love to experiment with a
Slinky.
If brass Slinkys aren't available anymore, then we could wind one from some
#14 or #12 solid copper wire using a long piece of plastic pipe as a form.
Close-wind it first, then stretch it to the desired (?) pitch.
73,
Next year Im planning to try a couple of Slinky Beverages again in
order to get a 2-3 wave electrical equivalent for particular paths
and narrow the beamwidth to get rid of EU "noise".
Carl
KM1H
Come on Carl! You're just being provocative. Someone may take that
seriously. You know very well
>From the contest rules:
6.1. The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental QSOs only.
--
So, while the window might not "officially" exist, one is specifically
mentioned in the rules.
Tom - VE3CX
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Carol Richards wrote:
> Tha
The hams with Beverages that cover more than four directions likely have
Beverages with a 3 dB beamwidth narrower than 90 degrees, such as:
1. A single Bev 1.5 or 2 wavelengths long
2. Two of them pointing the same direction and phased together.
See http://www.w8ji.com/echelon-log_beverages.ht
All,
I agree that there should be a real 160M DX Window. At least we might hear
some DX outside of NA/SA. My main reason I operate 160m is to work DX - its
very challenging from the West Coast and requires good antennas and
operating skills.
And, I do realize that the the "ARRL 160M Contest" does
In addition not all signals come via the direct Great Circle bearings for SP
or LP, at least here in NH which is at a fairly high latitude. Having an
extra direction or more such as over Africa for skewed paths has helped add
a new one or an extra contest multiplier several times.
Next year Im
I'm feeling good. And lot of optimism for next night :)
Result in contest is not very interesting, I need only some states to
finish my WAS - 160m. From 5/7/0 area's.
W0SD (S.D.) was great s7-8 during few hour's, called many times,
but.K0HA (NE) not so strong but some s5-7. Heard him few times.
Hi Saulius,
I know (almost) exactly how you feel :-)
73,
jim / W1FMR / QRP.
--- On Sat, 12/1/12, Saulius Zalnerauskas wrote:
From: Saulius Zalnerauskas
Subject: Re: Topband: DX WINDOW
To: "Eddy Swynar"
Cc: topband@contesting.com, "Carol Richards"
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012,
On Sat, 2012-12-01 at 10:20 -0500, Eddy Swynar wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Obviously this "typo" was a test meant to see if anyone was awake yet...! Hi
> Hi
>
> Of course I MEANT to say 1830- to 1835-KHz---but fat fingers (and a skinny
> mind) got in the way.
>
> Thanks go to Bert for keeping things
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Shoppa, Tim wrote:
Speaking of which... how do running stations monitor/switch between receive
> antennas
> on 160? Some may have them fed to diversity reception (left ear and right
> ear)
> but my primitive setup just has a foot pedal that lets me pick K9AY loop
>
W4TV points out:
> For historical reasons the ARRL 16 Meter contest is essentially a "160M
> Sweepstakes". [...]
> For many years before activity in the middle part of the US expanded,
> it was impossible to "win" ARRL 160 from anywhere other than W1.
It looks to me that at least in the LP categor
I do this with great success.
Just put the longest wire you can (up to 85 feet) and run it as horizontal as
you can. I assume you already load your antenna through an unun, So shorter
than 85 feet will work as long as it is longer than say 43 feet. Attach it with
a hose clamp, but perhaps shy o
All,
In reference to previous; confusion was caused (in part) by a broken power
connection between shack & antenna that meant the relay that switches loop
direction at the antenna (referred to as k2 in the original K9AY QST
article) wasn't working.
Remaining confusion arising of course from my ig
Spent whole night 2200z-0600z with 49 QSO's in the LOG.
Find one moment free frequence to call CQ. 1 call back to me from VE.
That's all. Full band 1800 KHz - 1880 kHz full of W/VE station's
making QSO's each-other, they are very LOUD, but don't hear EU :(
Maybe next night would be much more better
That doesn't mean that the CAC under WC1M's leadership didn't do an
exemplary job of thinking through the implications and coming up with
solid, serviceable language for use in contest rules.
All that means is that CAC suggested rules to codify the pre-ordained
policy. There was no "debate" o
On 2012-12-01, at 8:39 AM, Eddy Swynar wrote:
>
> I personally think that the notion of keeping 1825 - 1830-KHz "clean" of NA
> stations calling CQ is a good one...
>
Hi All,
Obviously this "typo" was a test meant to see if anyone was awake yet...! Hi Hi
Of course I MEANT to say 1830- to
But Joe, we've all known for years that you didn't like the way the
Skimmer debate came out. That doesn't mean that the CAC under WC1M's
leadership didn't do an exemplary job of thinking through the
implications and coming up with solid, serviceable language for use in
contest rules. I'm not
> Respectfully, I don't think this is anywhere close to right.
I disagree with you ... the Advisory Committees have no independent
advisory role and have generally not been permitted to gather and
evaluate input on topics other than the narrow issues assigned by
the staff. They have become an "
Eduardo - your arrangement should work well, especially if you place the
main lobe into areas of interest and the "nulls" are into regions of no
activity (or noise sources). It is a good general setup.
Everyone may have their own specific reason for utilizing multiple
Beverages, but mine is very s
Respectfully, I don't think this is anywhere close to right. For
example, the CAC did an exemplary job of developing a League position on
where Skimmer techn0ology fit in its contests. A lot depends on the CAC
chairman at any given time, and on getting the ARRL Board to give the
CAC the right
On 2012-12-01, at 12:54 AM, Carol Richards wrote:
> That so called dx window on 160m does not exist...It hasn't existed for many
> years.
Well FWIW,
I personally think that the notion of keeping 1825 - 1830-KHz "clean" of NA
stations calling CQ is a good one...
We bemoan the fact that this
The DX window (most unfortunately) does not exist for normal operation. It does
however exist for the ARRL 160m contest:
"6. Miscellaneous:
6.1. The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental QSOs only."
73 Roger
VE3ZI
PS: Sorry, but those needing ONN will have to chase VE3CX. I
It doesn't make any sense, and its not intended to.
I've given up with the league. My experience has been that the "advisory"
boards have virtually no influence on decisions that are made about contests or
anything for that matter. That's why I stopped contributing to this "private
club".
--
Hi,
The DX pileups also trample all over other users who were already
operating before the pileup decided to creep up 25kc from the DX
station. We have to share the bands. When there is a DX expedition on
nobody else is going to have a turn. When there is a big contest on
those people are going to
I would like to add my congratulations and thanks, and a vote for George
and Tomi as the most dedicated and best Top Band DX-peditioners ever!!
I have been counting on them for a New One on 160 each year!
Wouldn't 4W would be a more comfortable spot for the next one?
Bert, VE3QAA
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