Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-09 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/9/2013 9:31 PM, Gary and Kathleen Pearse wrote: Where are the high voltage points in a "T" antenna? The end of an antenna (for example, at the end insulator of a wire antenna) MUST be a current minimum (near zero) because there is no place for it to go except by capacitance to space or s

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-09 Thread Gary and Kathleen Pearse
Where are the high voltage points in a "T" antenna? I have the choice of putting up either a new T between two trees, or an L again on 160M. The ends of the T would by necessity be strung over and go down 20-30' alongside the two supporting trees. The L would parallel a tree and bend over at

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-09 Thread Tom W8JI
I expect the losses are related to current not voltage. The current of my antenna is in the vertical section for the most part and loss would would have to happen there as coupled to the nearest tree. The current would have to flow to ground so I seriously doubt if the resistance of the trunk is

Re: Topband: Condo Owners 160m poem. - A poem for DXers.

2013-08-09 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! With apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson - From "Crossing the Bar" 73/DX Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of chac...@cableone.net Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 7:1

Re: Topband: Condo Owners 160m poem.

2013-08-09 Thread chacuff
Hope you don’t mind my use of artistic license😊 Cecil Acuff Gulfport MS K5DL From: Jim F. Sent: ‎August‎ ‎9‎, ‎2013 ‎6‎:‎06‎ ‎PM To: top Band Subject: Topband: Condo Owners 160m poem. (1 slight change made with apologies to Joyce Kilmer) Jim / W1FMR Joyce Kilmer. 1886–1918 119. Tre

Topband: Condo Owners 160m poem.

2013-08-09 Thread Jim F.
(1 slight change made with apologies to Joyce Kilmer) Jim / W1FMR Joyce Kilmer. 1886–1918   119. Trees   I THINK that I shall never see   A tower lovely as a tree.      A tree whose hungry mouth is prest   Against the sweet earth's flowing breast;      A tree that looks at God all day,

Re: Topband: Fw: Tree Conductivity

2013-08-09 Thread Wayne Kline
Yes that's a good IDIA but my main concern will be " How do I find True SOUTH " Wayne w3EA > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:21:45 -0700 > From: k...@yahoo.com > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Topband: Fw: Tree Conductivity > > I guess then I will have to reposition my plastic owl to face t

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-09 Thread N1BUG
On 08/09/2013 04:51 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: As a DXer, I generally listened a lot, and I found that on 160, if I could hear them - more often than not, I could work 'em - wherever in the world they might be. No receive antennas? With 1500 watts into a 100 foot vertical (tower with 7 elem

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-09 Thread Charlie Cunningham
You're a man after my own heart, Greg! I never worried so much about the "Dbs". As a DXer, I generally listened a lot, and I found that on 160, if I could hear them - more often than not, I could work 'em - wherever in the world they might be. Aside from 160, I have also built fearsome 3-el 40m

Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

2013-08-09 Thread Greg Chartrand
I expect the losses are related to current not voltage. The current of my antenna is in the vertical section for the most part and loss would would have to happen there as coupled to the nearest tree. The current would have to flow to ground so I seriously doubt if the resistance of the trunk

Topband: Fw: Tree Conductivity

2013-08-09 Thread GALE STEWARD
I guess then I will have to reposition my plastic owl to face true South. Gee, I wish band conditions were better! 73, Stew K3ND - Forwarded Message - From: W2PM To: Raoul Coetzee Cc: "topband@contesting.com" Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Tree Condu

Re: Topband: Tree Conductivity

2013-08-09 Thread W2PM
So when the Suns magnetic field reverses and the sap starts flowing in the opposite direction will that affect the conductivity any? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Raoul Coetzee wrote: > > I am well aware that I may be flamed (again) for starting "something", but > I found t

Re: Topband: Tree losses....

2013-08-09 Thread Bob Kupps
Very nice study and IMO neither small nor inelegant. Thanks From: Roger Parsons To: Topband Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Topband: Tree losses I just did a small and inelegant piece of modelling with EZNEC. I took a wire 128' vertical, and it showed a gain of about 1

Topband: Tree Conductivity

2013-08-09 Thread Raoul Coetzee
  I am well aware that I may be flamed (again) for starting "something", but I found this article where the conductivity of sap wood and hard wood is measured. It seems if I read it correctly, that with this specific trees and soil conditions, the results are quote:and 594 ± 55.5 the heartwood r