Topband: Info about Haiti - delete if not interested

2014-02-25 Thread DALE LONG
Gentlemen: Thanks for all the responses.  I will respond individually to messages sent to my gmail account.  The suggestion to re-locate made me laugh. (no offense, let me explain) Haiti is another world, and cannot be easily understood.  Most land is not for sale.  But the big thing is that a

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Tom W8JI
Depends on the noise at your location, before I removed the 300 ft towers here I matched one for 160 and ran low power in the Stew Perry a few years ago, ended up number 1 world wide if memory is correct, and receive was only the xmt antenna at that time. If the locations noise is low you wil

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Jim Brown
On 2/25/2014 6:16 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: If the locations noise is low you will hear everything thats on the band. Merv K9FD/KH6 Of course. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But in today's world, it is not safe to assume that any given location will be quiet. I've been to mountain tops t

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Merv Schweigert
Depends on the noise at your location, before I removed the 300 ft towers here I matched one for 160 and ran low power in the Stew Perry a few years ago, ended up number 1 world wide if memory is correct, and receive was only the xmt antenna at that time. If the locations noise is low you will

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Ashton Lee
I thought a bit more about this… while a beachfront/salt marsh location might be ideal for building an international broadcast facility, if you were building a station for domestic Haitian audiences you would probably prefer a high location reasonably far from the sea and its corrosive effects.

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Carl
Make them shorter and they will often do well over tidal marshes but not over open water. For a 240' tower Id suggest gamma feeding it up at the 1/4 wave point and use 4 elevated radials. It the AM BCB radials are installed they will make an excellent ground screen but do not connect them to t

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Tom W8JI
Half wave verticals have been very disappointing to me over the years when I had the tall BC towers in my backyard to play with after midnight on 160. I installed a 318 ft insulated base tower in stages and watched the results. I felt there was very little difference from 1/4 wave up to about

Topband: Analyzers -The guy who Sells AIM Products Responds

2014-02-25 Thread Jay Terleski
The two latter products produce superb plotting results when sweeping through the AMBC frequencies in the presence of strong RF fields - Paul Yes Paul, we have a couple of ways to handle rf on the antenna, one is the way we make the measurement which surrounds the measurement with a band pass fil

Re: Topband: Fw: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Perhaps so - but Dale is gong down there to put in a 240' broadcast tower. 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:19 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Fw: AM broadc

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
That's not so surprising Gary !! te Way the Beverages and similar slow-wave antennas work is that they depend on the lossy GND underneath for their operation, so a salt marsh would not be a very beneficial GND structure under a Beverage! 73, Charlie, K4OTV -Original Message- From: Topba

Topband: Fw: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Bruce
I agree with Herb. Also Haiti is on an earthquake fault. The quarter wave tower would have a better chance of survival and is safer. 73 Bruce-K1FZ - Original Message - From: "Herb Schoenbohm" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Herb Schoenbohm
Half wave verticals have been very disappointing to me over the years when I had the tall BC towers in my backyard to play with after midnight on 160. I have had much better result in hanging 1/2 wave center fed slopers of of high towers. Radio stations seem to prefer if they have extermely hi

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Gary Smith
My Inv-L is on a salt marsh on Long Island Sound in Connecticut & I ran two bidirectional 860' beverages over the salt marsh. I had terrible results with the beverages, very noisy and hardly any improvement over the Inv-L, much of the time the Inv-L was more effective on Rx. With that, my exper

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 3/25/2014 4:45 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Well, he's talking about going in November - maybe in time for CQWW CW -but probably not. Sorry, Charlie - his post said: 2. In December of this year, I am organizing a small group to go to Haiti and participate in the 160m contest. (this of c

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Jim Brown
On 2/25/2014 12:38 PM, Richard Karlquist wrote: In the past, I have seen some of these AM tower efforts ruined by lousy receive conditions. YES! I had exactly that experience nearly 30 years ago loading a quarter wave tower near Chicago for 860 kHz. Couldn't hear a thing. 73, Jim K9YC _

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Well, he's talking about going in November - maybe in time for CQWW CW -but probably not. -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:10 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: AM broa

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Good point! -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ashton Lee Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:03 PM To: DALE LONG Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition I would be especially mindful of corr

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Tim Duffy
I recently did almost this same project in Tortola, BVI (VP2V) 4 weeks ago. I have been helping as a consultant to ZBVI for the past 20 years. I was part of the team that installed a new 300 ft tower for ZBVI when the old tower came down due to an accident with a guy wire. The station goes off th

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> Others can comment on whether 240 feet is too high. 240 feet tuned/matched with a parallel tuned tapped tank should work quite well based on the information in K3LC's article in QEX Nov/Dec 2013. Of course, 240 feet would also make an excellent support for a wire 4 square or parasitic array

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Ashton Lee
I would be especially mindful of corrosion issues in tower planning in the Caribbean. There was a recent article in the Contest Journal on the ever difficult tower corrosion experienced at PJ2T. On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:17 PM, DALE LONG wrote: > Gentlemen: > > I have been reluctant to ask for

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Charlie Cunningham
No, I don't believe 240' is too high - especially if the tower has a base insulator! It would be so close to 1/2 wave on 160, that it could be fed very well as a 1/2 wave radiator on 160, either via a parallel tuned tank or a 1/4 wave of perhaps 450 oh ladder line. A 1/2 wave radiator wis an excel

Re: Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread Richard Karlquist
Congratulations on your adventure. In the past, I have seen some of these AM tower efforts ruined by lousy receive conditions. I suggest you get an advance team out to the site to check out the noise level etc. and maybe put up some temporary beverages, loops, whatever and LISTEN on them. Use W

Topband: AM broadcast tower and 160m dxpedition

2014-02-25 Thread DALE LONG
Gentlemen:  I have been reluctant to ask for help which did not relate directly to our reflector. But today I got up my courage, so here goes.  I have been invited to lead a group of amateurs to help build an AM tower in Haiti. Two things that may relate to some of our readers: 1. I will be r

Re: Topband: The guy who Sells AIM Products Responds

2014-02-25 Thread Paul Christensen
Depends on the claim(s) in question which may affect the novelty of the software or a process more than the VNA hardware. Also, I believe W5BIG has both a two-port VNA in addition to the single-port CIA line. Since this discussion is on the topband list, I'm interested in the VNWA's immunity

Re: Topband: The guy who Sells AIM Products Responds

2014-02-25 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2/25/2014 1:36 PM, Jay Terleski wrote: Lets set this record straight. Jan over at SDR kits is a friend, and I met with him in Germany as well as Dr. Baier. He and I agreed that the patent is possibly infringed in the USA that Bob Clunn developed and his SDR Kit business is not really wantin

Re: Topband: The guy who Sells AIM Products Responds

2014-02-25 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 2/25/2014 10:36 AM, Jay Terleski wrote: Lets set this record straight. Jan over at SDR kits is a friend, and I met with him in Germany as well as Dr. Baier. He and I agreed that the patent As long as you are setting the record straight: what is the patent number(s)? Rick N6RK __

Topband: The guy who Sells AIM Products Responds

2014-02-25 Thread Jay Terleski
"The VNWA 3E was about to get a glowing review in QST a few years ago, but the guy who sells the AIM products queered it by threatening a patent fight." Jim Brown Lets set this record straight. Jan over at SDR kits is a friend, and I met with him in Germany as well as Dr. Baier. He and I agreed t

Re: Topband: Radial wire size ?

2014-02-25 Thread Bill Wichers
You could use the 18 gauge insulated stranded CCS (Copper Clad Steel) wire that Davis RF and The Wireman sell. The PE jacket is a matte black color and not very visible from any distance away. It's pretty strong too, and not very expensive. I use it a lot for wire antennas. I'm amazed your 22 g

Re: Topband: Radial wire size ?

2014-02-25 Thread Jim Brown
On 2/25/2014 9:45 AM, Jim F. wrote: Would going to 16 ga. increase the radiated antenna current X times ? Not enough to matter, but it certainly would not hurt. For next year, though, I would try to use more radials. Having them elevated is good, and elevating them even more is better. 73,

Re: Topband: In search of resonance

2014-02-25 Thread kd9sv
Herb, you can feed any number of bands through one gamma arm or wire as long as the highest frequency to be used is less than 1/4 wave length on the gamma arm or wire. The appropriate matching is still required for each band. I fed my 70ft grounded tower for 160, 80 and 40 meters with a gamma of

Topband: Radial wire size ?

2014-02-25 Thread Jim F.
I use 3 raised radials ~ 135 feet long of #22 ga. solid wire.  used for dog perimeter control and is un-tinned copper  covered with green plastic. The wire is about 11 feet high to keep it out of the way in the common property woods area of multi building condos and will be taken down when the we

Re: Topband: N2PK VNA

2014-02-25 Thread Jim Bennett
No - didn't mis-read the stats. 100% rating is good. 66 sales is OK, but I'd be very concerned about sending nearly $400 to a seller over there with "only" 66 feedback. I've been in business on eBay for a long time (as I mentioned, with close to 6,000 feedback @ 100%) and there isn't a snowball'

Re: Topband: In search of resonance

2014-02-25 Thread Herbert Schonbohm
On 1/30/2014 11:03 PM, Carl Braun wrote: If I can't get the antenna to resonate using the L I'd say that I'd consider shunt feeding the tower and work out an (omega) matching scheme to match the tower to my target freq. If that's the case, do I mount my upper shunt arm on the tower at 67' or

Re: Topband: N2PK VNA

2014-02-25 Thread Edwin Karl
Hi Carl- For my money, my IW3HEV analyzer works just fine, Same price, from W4KT. No service if a problem is an issue, but that's the way it seems today. Only known problem is the BNC output connection breaks from the PC board. All that's required is to take about 1/4" off the center pin of the B