Re: Topband: Confusion in ON4UN's Low Band DXing radial length calculations.

2014-12-18 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,12/18/2014 1:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: I appreciate some guidance with this matter. I would like a radial field which would take me to within 0.5/1 dB of the maximum achievable for reducing near field losses. Some of the best work I've seen published on this topic is by Rudy Severns

Re: Topband: Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,12/18/2014 4:59 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: I have a 64' self-standing tower with a 3 el Steppir on it (insulated elements) and a 40m linear loaded dipole (also insulated) on top of that. I've worried that any high voltage on the ends of the boom might be harmful to the drive motors in the dir

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread John Kaufmann
A few years ago, I put up a low, non-resonant dipole, about 150 feet long and 10 feet high for use as an auxiliary receiving antenna on 160. My main receiving antenna was and still is an array of short verticals. What I found at my W1 location after I installed the dipole is similar to what N5IA

Re: Topband: RUSSIAN 160 METER CONTEST

2014-12-18 Thread Eugene Popov /RA0FF/
>>>My question is; If this is a contest inviting worldwide participation, why >>>is there not at the minimum a full 24 hours of competition period? Same questions from me and others UA0/RA0  Russian stations... 73! de Eugene RA0FF http://www.qsl.net/ra0ff/ Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:10:46 -0700 от "M

Re: Topband: Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Concerning voltage breakdowns using yagi-loaded towers on 160 meters... I have heard stories of arcing to beat the band, that included a fair amount of destruction. I have heard stories of nothing needed for good operation, even at QRO. All these stories have to exist in the same logical space. A

Topband: Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread Ralph Parker
Good question, Stan. I've wondered the same thing. I have a 64' self-standing tower with a 3 el Steppir on it (insulated elements) and a 40m linear loaded dipole (also insulated) on top of that. I've worried that any high voltage on the ends of the boom might be harmful to the drive motors in the

Topband: Iran Topband Emphasis

2014-12-18 Thread Milt -- N5IA
Preparations Under Way for January DXpedition to Iran Preparations continue on the part of the Rockall DX Group to make Iran -- #33 on ClubLog's DXCC Most Wanted List -- available through a DXpedition to Kish Island (IOTA AS-166). Look for EP6T beginning on January 16. While the emphasis will be

Re: Topband: Confusion in ON4UN's Low Band DXing radial lengthcalculations.

2014-12-18 Thread k8bhz
Hello Doug, The 50-60% figure depends on your soil conditions, so may vary quite a bit. With my poor, sandy soil, the Vf is 67.7% with the radials laying on the ground. When I buried them 6", the Vf was 39.8%. Using these shortened radials, there wasn't much improvement going beyond 16 radials

Re: Topband: Confusion in ON4UN's Low Band DXing radial length calculations.

2014-12-18 Thread Eddy Swynar
Hi Doug, As I understand it, the velocity factor of 50% applies for radial wires that are simply laid atop the ground, & not buried in any way... But of course, I COULD stand to be corrected..! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ On 2014-12-18, at 4:18 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear OMs and

Topband: Confusion in ON4UN's Low Band DXing radial length calculations.

2014-12-18 Thread Doug Turnbull
Dear OMs and Yls, I am replacing raised radials for 160M inverted L with ground mounted radials mostly because I could not readily get the raised radials up high enough in my wood and also because of maintenance problems. This inverted L goes up 100 feet at its top before levellin

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread JC
Jim " What I am asking is if anyone has any, on-the-air experience and would recommend one antenna system over the other for *most conditions*. In other words, will an antenna that has a less lower elevation pattern generally outperform an antenna that has a narrower beam width, but a higher ele

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread Lee K7TJR
Judging from my own observations and feedback that I get I would say that using a low dipole or horizontal polarity antenna would also depend on what Latitude/Longitude your station is located and how close you are to the sea. Here above 45 degrees Latitude and 200 miles from the sea, I seldom

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread Tom W8JI
" Since Rick correctly stated that RDF doesn't account" Jim RDF is everything ! The RX antenna system is the only way to improve signal to noise ratio. All electronic device is not perfect and introduce noise and deteriorate the signal to noise ratio, including your radio too RDF is one way

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread James Wolf
Thanks JC, I agree that the RDF number is significant when evaluating a receive antenna. I agree that no one antenna system will work all of the time. Consider we have two scenarios: One RX antenna system that consists of two parallel antennas (Broadside) , and the other is the same antenna conf

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread JC
" Since Rick correctly stated that RDF doesn't account" Jim RDF is everything ! The RX antenna system is the only way to improve signal to noise ratio. All electronic device is not perfect and introduce noise and deteriorate the signal to noise ratio, including your radio too RDF is one way

Re: Topband: Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread Herbert Schoenbohm
Understanding what Bruce has posted would support the theory that a cage feed tower is indeed fatter with a lower impedance and thus less proclivity to arc over on the insulated elements. Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ On 12/18/2014 12:33 PM, k...@myfairpoint.net wrote: One of the factors for arc

Re: Topband: [Bulk] Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread Grant Saviers
I'm considering insulating elements on large yagis and would like to understand pro's and con's of various boom to element plate insulating materials - RF insulation, physical strength, creep, uv resistance, etc. These raw material properties are easily found, but have some had longer term in

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread James Wolf
Not wanting to distract from this thread too much, but I'd like to ask a question of the group. If one had the opportunity to install two receiving antennas (such as loops EWE's etc.) for Topband in either a series or parallel configuration, which would be preferred. Since Rick correctly stated

Re: Topband: Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread k1fz
One of the factors for arc over is the diameter of the tower and top support pipe diameter & length. A really FAT 1/4 wave tower may have 1000 ohms at the top, while a skinny tower would have much more. The higher the impedance, the higher the voltage to cause arc overs. 73 Bruce-K1FZ

Re: Topband: Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread Joel Harrison
Stan - For about 8 years, up until this past spring, my shunt fed tower for 160 had a KT34XA (insulated elements, later upgraded to a KT36XA same insulated elements) at the top and I never experienced any issue at all running 1500 watts, even during a few contests where, as you know, you are runnin

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread JC
Milt, Thanks to share with us your experience during XZ0A. When I started playing with the HWF I was surprised to hear XU7ACY almost every day between 11:10z and 11:20z SSW, during 2010 and 2011 , that happened 50% of the day from October to April. This kind of propagation I called it TELP, Tran

Re: Topband: Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread john
I once fed a tower with a klm 40m beam with an insulated DE on it with and the coax taped to the boom. The insulation on the coax broke down and the coax caught fire. I grounded the DE. Problem solved. John K9DX > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:43:06 -0600 > From: wa5...@gmail.com > To: topband

Re: Topband: RUSSIAN 160 METER CONTEST

2014-12-18 Thread Milt -- N5IA
Vlad, Although it is difficult to work Russian stations (UA0 excepted) from my location in southwest USA, I find it very strange that the hours of the contest operation do NOT include any night time hours at my location. The sun sets at 0010 UTC at my location this time of the year. Conseque

Re: Topband: 8 circle: DXE vs Hi-Z

2014-12-18 Thread JC
Hi David and Don I understand your point. Gain is cheap and quite easy to get with a good low noise amplifier, but to keep the common mode noise out of it is very expensive, and could be very complicated. The beverages are very forgiveness and does not requires much amplification. It is an ideal a

Re: Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread Milt -- N5IA
Jim, If the arrival angle of the signals is high, then definitely the low dipole will perform stupendously. At XZ0A in 2000 we were having trouble the first few evenings receiving signals at our sunset and for a couple of hours afterwards. The Beverage RX antennas were working very effectiv

Topband: Non-resonant receive antennas

2014-12-18 Thread James Rodenkirch
I noticed JC's comment below about a low dipole as a receiving antenna. Did I interpret that correctly? I've read of a Dipole on the ground as a low noise receive antenna for 160 but.can a non resonant dipole installed at low heights be better, as a receive antenna, than a vertical or

Topband: Shunt Feed - Insulated Elements on Yagi

2014-12-18 Thread Stan Stockton
I have never had an issue with this on any tower I have shunt fed that had a Yagi at the top with insulated elements, but then again my insulators are probably a lot better than the average ones used on commerical antennas. I am thinking about shunt feeding a tower that is not mine and wanted to k

Topband: RUSSIAN 160 METER CONTEST

2014-12-18 Thread R7LV
Dear friends, RUSSIAN 160 METER CONTEST will be held from 20.00 to 24.00 UTC, on the 19th December 2014. The Rules of the Contest are at http://www.radio.ru/cq/contest/rule-results/index2012.shtml Current Rules were approximated with RDXC Rules, and any RDXC software may be used in this