That is NOT ALL true, SOME stations are indeed other hams' stations and they
get a piece of the action based on what the monthly draw of revenue on the
station. However, MANY and the majority of the sites are owned by them. They
buy property all over and set up these stations. SO NOT ALL by
>>>Which brings to mind another issue: 160m card checkers will disallow a
card if the DX QSO occurred in the middle of the day since the path would be
impossible.
Can't make that assumption, anymore.<<<
LOTW is responsible for 90% or more 160m DXCC confirmation and there is no
check on day
JC hit the nail on the head...lets identify those who are using RHR openly. My
preference would be a specific suffix designator that would identify the
transmitting station and then let's see if anyone wants to work a RHR on the
air.
I witnessed a local san diego station working RHR last
And, what happened to identifying with the call of the station you were
operating?
It's still in the regs.
73, Roger
On 1/14/2016 4:44 PM, Brian Mattson wrote:
-Original Message- From: Louis Parascondola via Topband
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 3:27 PM
To:
-Original Message-
From: Larry
To: barry.n1eu
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 10:22 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation
More than once I have worked some Ukraine station in the 160 meter contest at
S9 plus when it is broad daylight in UB5.
Did you ever shoot an animal with a gun? Shooting an animal with a gun is like
using RHR for ANTO. Shooting an animal with a bow and arrow is like using your
station that may be just average. The ethics of the whole thing has already
been settled by the ARRL so ethics don't have to be looked
> The ethics of the whole thing has already been settled by the ARRL so
ethics don't have to be looked at.
Actually the ARRL didn't do squat about ethics. They left the "ethics" up to
the operator. You are confusing "rules" with "ethics". There is a difference
between what is permitted and what
That is fantastic Gary, I wish I can say the same. That is something to be very
proud of indeed.
-Original Message-
From: kd9sv
To: 'Jorge Diez CX6VM' ; 'Mike Waters'
Cc: 'TopBand List' ; 'Herbert
Mike, if you were presented with a card showing a Topband QSO that took
place two hours after the sunrise at the QTH of the card holder how would
you handle it? Let's assume for the sake of simplicity that the card holder
has lived at the same QTH for his entire hamming "career".
Larry K5Rki
I was specifically told by one checker that he doesn't even check the time
of a Topband QSO. Go figure.
Larry K5RK
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kris Mraz
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 7:19 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Well so much for the ARRL card checkers as unless the checker here in a
U.S. Territory has a DXCC on 160 they will not accredit him/her and I
must send the cards for 160 meter (just 160 meters) via the post
office. Another one of the ARRL's inconsistent policies that makes no
sense.
Herb
<>
The issue is what you do and not what you say
If all this new technology is do good , the HRH users should be proud of is
and PUBLISH, open publicly and announce proudly .
"" I am a HRH user!!! ""
However that is far from reality, the main business drive is privacy. HRH
warranty
Larry, et al,
I am a 160 card checker, and I damn well DO check the times! I'm sorry
to report that I have found cases where "impossible" QSOs were claimed,
and reported them to the mother ship in Newington. I would sincerely
hope that my colleagues would do the same.
--
73,
Mike Cizek
I am a 160 card checker, and I damn well DO check the times! I'm sorry
to report that I have found cases where "impossible" QSOs were claimed,
and reported them to the mother ship in Newington. I would sincerely
hope that my colleagues would do the same.>>>
But isn't it legal to operate
Larry, I do believe when the remote station is not in the same country the
operator must sign a / Like UB5XXX/W2 He would if he was physically here
operating stateside, so he made a mistake by not doing so. BTW...Larry, what
was the name of your old girlfriend that moved to Connecticut
We are all entitled to our opinions and, of course, they may differ from
others. I'm fine with thoughtful discussion. I think it's healthy.
I do, however, tire of always having the technology bit thrown in my face.
It is NOT an objection to new technology, including the use of remote
really? to which I say,,,God bless you,,, Ill just turn the other
check for me this thread is over
73 john w8wej
On 1/14/2016 10:56 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
Did you ever shoot an animal with a gun? Shooting an animal with a gun is like
using RHR for ANTO. Shooting an
Which brings to mind another issue: 160m card checkers will disallow a
card if the
DX QSO occurred in the middle of the day since the path would be impossible.
Can't make that assumption, anymore.
Kris N5KM
-Original Message-
From: Larry
To: barry.n1eu
you know,,,at 74 if I need something that bad,,, I need to re-evaluate
my priorities,,, what ever I work will be from my home , or my farm,
32 miles away I am very fortunate to have both and a basic station
station at both,, in person
on site
,,, I understand folks in apartments etc,,,
“Remember back in the Golden Years when it was STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to profit
from "amateur radio" When did that go away???”
I believe the rule is “station must not transmit communications for hire or for
material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised…”
That’s way different
I hardly doubt that it would ever be that big because eventually everyone who
wants to do RHR will and those that won't, won't.
Herb, when that happens, ham radio, as we know it, will be over.
(aren't we already used to this sort of thing happening in our time
and in our country?)
It didn't, it is still in play. Profiting from Ham radio by using the air
waves for business purposes is what is illegal. For example If I use ham radio
to dispatch taxi cabs or to call my employees that are on the road to send them
to their next job, or to handle traffic between to people
Dave, Herb, et al:
Respectfully, RHR is likely here to stay, like it or not. If you want to
try and change that, fine. But I am not going to let that --or how others
use RHR to their advantage-- bother me. :-)
I get a warm fuzzy feeling of deep contentment operating the 160 meter
station that I
That is the right attitude to take. Working DX and the like should be a
personal endeavor and what others do is their business. This is why the ARRL
came down on the issue as they did and of course for other reasons, but this
way no one gets harmed. Tell me you worked 5BDXCC that way and it
Jorge, Many years ago the rules for these awards required that one had to stay
within a radius of 250 miles from any of the various locations they operated
and accumulated contacts for awards. At some point in time that rule was
changed. Now the rule is (regarding US hams) that they can be
Larry, You are entitled to your opinion. I can see your point. But don't
blame the RHR guys. I would blame those who you think should not be getting
credit and do. I'll bet some hams use RHR and they don't care about awards,
they just want to operate ham radio because MAYBE they can't
Herb, when that happens, ham radio, as we know it, will be over.
(aren't we already used to this sort of thing happening in our time
and in our country?)
Dave, W5UN
On 1/14/2016 9:52 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
Dave, What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up
the rates
You are the control operator of that station and it is your call that is used.
-Original Message-
From: Roger D Johnson
To: Brian Mattson
Cc: Louis Parascondola ; topband
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016
Hello
I have one doubt about that
Can you confirm me that before RHR nobody worked DXCC and WAS from different
locations?
For example someone that move from east coast to Texas and them to west coast
and compute all his/her qsos from this 3 QTH,s?
73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
Enviado desde mi
FYI...I have dxcc 304 and 40 zones on 160 meters and all were worked from my
home in NE Indiana. 73, de gary, kd9sv
-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jorge
Diez CX6VM
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 6:38 PM
To: Mike Waters
Cc: TopBand
Most of the gun hunters say that to the bow hunters.
-Original Message-
From: john
To: topband
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation
really? to which I say,,,God bless you,,, Ill just turn the other
check
Jim,
Artificial insemination is advanced technology also but pray tell me
that it is more fun. We are not taking about an either- or situation of
"embracing progress in amateur radio" at all. What some of us eschew is
the replacement of what was here to for a relatively stable paradigm and
I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the years
here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I have also
rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally scrapped enough
money together and bought a home next to a large salt pond. I have full
Dave,
I know your dilemma. In addition we are also getting older and most of us
likely will have to downsize or relocate.
I also like to build and fiddle around with my own station. Operating another
person's not my cup of tea. RHR takes the Amateur out of Amateur radio for me.
I've learned
On 1/14/2016 5:05 PM, Tree wrote:
Please sign your emails with your callsign (assuming you have one).
Thanks.
Tree N6TR
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It would also be very helpful to give your QTH, especially if
your call is out of district.
Rick N6RK
Galt, CA
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It is the same thing as if he was here physically, he must use his call with a
/ w2 or whatever.
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-Original Message-
From: Ed Sawyer
To: topband
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: strange
We have to see if RHR is a registered trademark name so that when we say things
like this we make sure we are not singling out this specific group that
supplies this service as opposed to anyone who remotes any station.
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-Original Message-
From: Carl Braun
In the case discussed of a station remoting in and not properly identifying
(ie an Italian station remoting a USA station but continuing to use the
Italian callsign), it seems to me that the FCC would consider the station
owner the control operator and therefore responsible for the proper IDing of
Aha. You got me there :-)
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM, JC wrote:
>
Which brings to mind another issue: 160m card checkers will disallow a
> card if the DX QSO occurred in the middle of the day since the path would be
> impossible.
> Can't make that assumption,
Tom please comment on the 4pm QSL card from ct. Claiming S2 at 4pm local time.
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-Original Message-
From: Tom W8JI
To: topband ; Mike Cizek W0VTT
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 09:42 PM
Subject: Re: Topband:
You probably worked the IT9 station in Sicily, Right? Why bitch? You get full
credit for working IT9 on the top band and it counts for every award you can
apply to it. The problem is the person using the station stateside remotely
gets NO credit for anything he works, but you do. SO what is
When a ham operates a remote station using his call sign that is within the
continental US, it makes no difference. If a ham is operating at an alternate
QTH he does not have to sign/X any longer. Those days are gone. SO even if
you look him up it does not mean he is at that location. The
Just noted 2336Z per K9CT on the 160 chat:
“Hello from Palmyra …..we have fixed the 160m antenna and will be on at our SS
… GL"
Steve WB6RSE
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I haven't been on 160 for a long time. Intending to when I get back. In
HK now heading so Vietnam for pleasure. Didn't get the free trip 40 years
ago!
But I was on on the 60s and had the excitement of working VK with a S40B
RX and an ARC5 from KS. Also go to visit W0VXO in MN (Hi Herb) and W1BB
" SO what is the beef? RHR is just another form of progress due to advances
in technology, if we did not embrace progress in ham radio technology we would
all still be talking to one another on Lunch boxes and Gooney boxes! "
Problems begin when technology changes ethics.
Jimk2hn
Please sign your emails with your callsign (assuming you have one).
Thanks.
Tree N6TR
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Correct, but if he doesn’t, its actually the primary responsibility of the
control operator/station owner to shut down the station to prevent further
illegal transmissions.
Ed N1UR
From: Louis Parascondola [mailto:gudguy...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:53 AM
To:
And what about the S2 QSO I talk about?
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-Original Message-
From: Larry Burke
To: topband
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 08:46 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation
Mike, if you were presented with a card showing a
Once again what would you do with the S2 QSL card?
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-Original Message-
From: Larry Burke
To: topband
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 08:37 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation
I was specifically told by one checker
Do you have any idea what information your cell phone can tell others when you
say OK to the terms of the apps you download? Talk about technology and
ethics? But it seems many of us allow them to scrub whatever information they
want to get that app.
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Never mind. I just found a web site that said "Palmyra *Atoll*".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Atoll
All I have to do now is find your 160m operating schedule, which so far
escapes my searches and browsing.
73, Mike
www.w0btu.com
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Mike Waters
Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent
locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work
DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will become
hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT.
Dave, W5UN
On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm
I know that fading can be caused by phase rotation of the arriving signal.
Can fading be caused by the signal changing arrival angle over time
(1-3 seconds)?
I ask this because of something I observed while attempting to tune my
Shared Apex Loop (SAL)
antenna the other night.
In the forward
Herb and Topbanders
I, too, heard K5P on TB well after my sunrise here in San Diego...about 25
minutes past SR. In fact, the K5P signal on TB was better than it was on 80M.
I witnessed some real QSB fades on 80 and saw none of that on 160. The pile up
on 80 was also much less organized than
Congratulations to all the stations who made it into the log; a lot of them.
To my knowledge the first ten into the log, in order, were...
N5IA
N7GP
K7ZV
WA7LNW
N6TR
N6RW
VE5UA
AA6RR
N7DD
KJ6P
I made a 2-channel recording of the entire first night of the K5P operation on
160 Meters.
My
Lets face it, the RHR guys take out sizeable ads in QST often times full page
ads and so it would be shooting themselves in the foot if they in any way went
against RHR. SO they did the next best thing and left it up to the individual
to decide what is moral or ethical for them. If someone
First night I heard K5P fine one a nice post S/R peak on TB 45 minutes
after my SR. Unfortunately the wall from the mainland was
non-penetrable. I noticed from the prop chart that the operation doesn't
see the wonderful opening I an other Caribbean stations would have from
9:00 to 10:00.
Milt, are you on a DXpedition operating from Palmyra in Syria?! Of all the
places!
I should switch my antenna back to 160m and see if we can work you.
73, MIke
www.w0btu.com
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-Original Message-
From: Louis Parascondola via Topband
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 3:27 PM
To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com ; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Strange propagation
SO they did the next best thing and left it up to the individual to decide
what is moral
Hi Kris,
If you belong to the shared apex loop Yahoo Groups click on the file tab
and then look for my call sign. You will see plots that I generated
looking at the front to back ratio versus elevation angle, and I think
these plots might help answer some of your questions.
Don (wd8dsb)
On
Dave, What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up the
rates to take the hams with deepest pockets. Additionally the laws of
supply will kick in and more RHR station and others will invest in this
scheme to put more stations on the air. As this progresses the value of
the
This is a BIG issue to grapple with. It would make sense to me that a
callsign transmitted over the air should correspond to a station location
in a publically viewable registry and if the location of the transmission
deviates, the callsign needs to append /XX to reflect the station location.
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