Re: Topband: Phased verticals..Summary

2018-08-01 Thread Ed Sawyer
I am not sure why people responded privately on this topic. But here is my reply: All methods can be used. The "hard phase reversal" with equal lengths of coax works (in my experience) however it makes the DC component "shorted" and can mess up switching options. The properly cut 180 deg

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Mike Waters
Thanks for pointing that out. However, I didn't intend to word it the way I did, implying that it was terrible because of its low gain. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 4:13 PM Carl Luetzelschwab wrote: > > Note that the KK5JY antenna is a single loop, not a double loop as G3UNA >

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Carl Luetzelschwab
Joe, > However, the Waller Flag is a dual loop that trades off signal for > pattern. I agree. But I believe it's gain is very low mostly because it's made up of electrically very small loops. A very small loop has its main lobes in the plane of the loop - not perpendicular to the plane of the

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
Does the article referenced then not go on to describe a phased array of two LoG's (Figure 7)? Nick VE7DXR At 21:24 2018-08-01, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 2018-08-01 5:13 PM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote: That gain value is in the neighborhood of what a Waller Flag does. However, the Waller

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2018-08-01 5:13 PM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote: That gain value is in the neighborhood of what a Waller Flag does. However, the Waller Flag is a dual loop that trades off signal for pattern. The LOG simply throws away signal due to attenuation of the dirt. The LOG is a horizontally

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Carl Luetzelschwab
Note that the KK5JY antenna is a single loop, not a double loop as G3UNA referenced. > That's a terrible RX antenna. Did you see the losses?! > Minus-forty-something dB on 160. That gain value is in the neighborhood of what a Waller Flag does. Carl K9LA _ Topband Reflector

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Isn't a waller flag in the minus 50's? On 8/1/2018 2:15 PM, Mike Waters wrote: That's a terrible RX antenna. Did you see the losses?! Minus-forty-something dB on 160. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 3:00 PM Nick Hall-Patch wrote: DuckDuckGo brought up this at the top of its

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Steve Lawrence via Topband
Mike - After many experiments, what I came to understand is that a loop is a loop is a loop. They're all variations on a theme. Ground dependent vs independent. Elevation. Size vs capture area. Need for a pre-amp or not. Nearby structures and antennas. The degrees of freedom are many. Some are

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Steve Lawrence via Topband
Mike - After many experiments, what I came to understand is that a loop is a loop is a loop. They're all variations on a theme. Ground dependent vs independent. Elevation. Size vs capture area. Need for a pre-amp or not. Nearby structures and antennas. The degrees of freedom are many. Some are

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Mike Waters
That's a terrible RX antenna. Did you see the losses?! Minus-forty-something dB on 160. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 3:00 PM Nick Hall-Patch wrote: > DuckDuckGo brought up this at the top of its search: > http://kk5jy.net/LoG/ > > Presumably that is what you mean? > > best

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
DuckDuckGo brought up this at the top of its search: http://kk5jy.net/LoG/ Presumably that is what you mean? best wishes, Nick VE7DXR At 19:04 2018-08-01, CUTTER DAVID via Topband wrote: Drifting the thread slightly: I read an article recently regarding 2 loops of 15ft square separated by

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Topband
Drifting the thread slightly: I read an article recently regarding 2 loops of 15ft square separated by 15ft which the author called Loop On Ground, LOG. He claimed good results on receive over a period of a year. It was very low gain but had directional properties and was said to be quiet.

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Thanks! I think I will still try to build the vertical version to try. On 8/1/2018 10:15 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: Hi Mike, A horizontally polarized loop -- or any other horizontally polarized 160 meter antenna -- has extremely poor sensitivity when installed less than about 0.1

Re: Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread donovanf
Hi Mike, A horizontally polarized loop -- or any other horizontally polarized 160 meter antenna -- has extremely poor sensitivity when installed less than about 0.1 wavelenght above the ground. Even if you raise a horizontally polarized loop to about 0.1 wavelength (50 feet on 160 meters)

Topband: WB6RSE Flag type loop question

2018-08-01 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
 Has anyone tried a loop like this in the Horizontal plane?   I suppose if one had an AZ mount they could try it from horizontal to Vertical. His flag build was in the July 2015 QST. W0MU _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband