Disclaimer here ….. I've never used FT-X … I still have a copy of
DIGIPAN on a laptop somewhere that I used on PSK-31 a decade or so ago.
From this discussion, it "appears" that FT is a "one-button push" mode.
My question to the group :
If you are in your local ( not remote ) ham shack
Good Evening/Morning All,
A technically incorrect statement was made, the statement began with:
"FT8 (and FT4) does not work like that. ..." and then things went sour.
In less than 60 seconds a Google search provided evidence, that indeed
such automated technical ability has actually existed for
Hi Fred
Could no stop laughing at your post.
73 Ross ZL3RJ
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From: fmoe...@twc.com
To: "'topband@contesting.com'"
Sent: 3/08/2019 10:48:10 a.m.
Subject: Topband: 160
I really wish I could find the robot that runs my FT-8 station.I would
have him put up a
>If I can set up my station on ft8 and have it run automatically and collect
>new entities...
If you want to fully automate FT8, there's a presentation available on YouTube.
It only requires installing Quick Macros (QM). No hacking to the core program
is required. During my setup, it was
> On 8/2/19 7:06 PM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote:
>> Just don't mix his achievement with mine. (Is RTTY really a digital mode?
>> It seems to be very analog these days.)
>> 73,
>> George,
>> AA7JV
>>
ARRL stopped issuing new RTTY DXCCs in 2011 when it became Digital DXCC for
RTTY, PSK, JT9, FT8,
This makes complete sense to me. You are right - FTx is a different
beastie and compared with RTTY, the latter takes a ton more HUMAN work
to bag the week ones.
73/jeff/ac0c
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
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On 8/2/19 7:06 PM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote:
Nobody is talking about "shutting"
Agreed George. It's (past) time for mode specific single band awards.
There's nothing preventing our alleged "national organization" from doing
so, only the will to do so.
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:06 PM GEORGE WALLNER wrote:
> Nobody is talking about "shutting" anything down.
> Quite the
I would agree a separate DXCC award should be established for operators using
remote stations that exceed a certain distance from the control point...like a
station half way around the world. To me that has more impact on a level
playing field and working rare ones than a mode like FT8...
Agree...
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> On Aug 2, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>
>> On 2019-08-02 8:06 PM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote:
>> expand the DXCC program by creating a new category! FT-x is
>> sufficiently different to justify that. The skills need for FT-x are
>> different from those
On 2019-08-02 8:06 PM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote:
expand the DXCC program by creating a new category! FT-x is
sufficiently different to justify that. The skills need for FT-x are
different from those required for the traditional modes.
Absolutely not! All modes used for DXCC have more skills in
Have any of you taken the time to write your Division Directors to ask
for changes and add FT-x as a separate award? That does not solve the
real issue here which is people have abandoned CW for FT8 and it made
people upset.
W0MU
On 8/2/2019 6:06 PM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote:
Nobody is
Gutting the hobby? We are entitled to our own opinions. There are a
bunch of people having a blast on FT8 that seem to think differently.
What is your goal to get FT8 banned? Why would the ARRL do this? They
sell awards and 60 percent of LOTW confirms are coming in on FT8. Never
Nobody is talking about "shutting" anything down.
Quite the opposite: expand the DXCC program by creating a new category! FT-x
is sufficiently different to justify that. The skills need for FT-x are
different from those required for the traditional modes. A new award
category would reflect
Alan, respectfully, it doesn’t sound like you ever looked at Joe Taylor's WSJT
program and you do not understand the facts of FT8.
Operators can NOT "walk away and not participate in making QSOs" as the program
is written. Yes, a very small number of people have hacked W1JT's program to
run
>>Can't we get along?
I doubt I'd like to get along the way you want us to get along, by
suppressing discussion because you don't like it. You want tolerance
based upon indifference, and that's wrong.
I would posit that most people on this reflector have a passion for 160M or
else they
And I disagree with your declaration that Gary was incorrect. His position, and
mine are based on the original intent and design of the software writers...not
how some are modifying and misusing the software. The awards system is also
based on the original intent and design of the software.
No Mike, the reality is Gary was incorrect and there is no need to
go negative toward others who disagree as done in recent posts.
Read the details Mike, watch the video ... it's AUTOMATED. It's not
cheating (per say) or is it? That's another interesting thought ...
No need to wave your hands
So does this mean that everyone uses this cheat? No.
By the way the ARRL has banned automatic unattended contacts from their
programs at the last board meeting. This means that the operator must
be instigating the contacts.
Curiously many many many years ago, a fellow by the call of N6TR
Or this one man expedition:
E6ET will be active in FT8 mode focus the 20m during the day and 40/60m during
the night.
A 40m or 60m station will be active all night, *from 7:00 UTC (20:00 local) to
17:00 UTC (6:00 local)*, in FT8.
Occasionally, during the day, the same station will be
Thank you Gary. I too have been using the new digi modes a bit and am a bit
confused by the yuge outpouring of misinformation. Thank you for confirming
what I have taken the time to learn.
Now, at the same time as being concerned about all the negative sshhhttuufff
flying about, it concerns
Good Afternoon All,
Gary, then explain this please?
From http://edtk.de/
Start "Run Mode" In Run mode, CQs are called continuously, closed QSOs are
logged automatically. After logged or timed out QSOs, the Program recalls CQ.
After some unsuccessful CQ calls, the FT8 helper goes to sleep for
I really wish I could find the robot that runs my FT-8 station.I would
have him put up a Beverage or two and work on the tower.I tired of
doing all the work around here.
ThanksFred KB4QZH
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FT8 (and FT4) does not work like that. An operator must be present to initiate
contacts as well as logging completed contacts, and intervening in case of
sequencing problems, which can occur frequently. The FT modes were
intentionally written by K1JT to prevent fully automatic unattended
Sounds good to me.
I would add that I have made some FT-8 QSOs, mostly on the day it arrived and
before I grasped the implications, but also some more recently. That said,
although I am uploading to LoTW for my QSO partners' use, I am not using them
for credit for any awards. This suits my
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> On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Cecil wrote:
>
> This is nonsense
>
> That is only possible if someone has modified the software and is cheating
> the system...which I might add could be done with computers and creative
> software writing to any of the digital modes
Gentleman,
I have been using ft8 now for a little over a year now and have been relatively
successful with it.
I also use CW and SSB.
If I can set up my station on ft8 and have it run automatically and collect new
entities.
I would really like to know how to do that.
Perhaps one of you can write
This was a mis fire...
Proper response is to follow...
Cecil
K5DL
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> On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Cecil wrote:
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> On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Alan Swinger wrote:
> . Since FT8 operators can walk away and not participate in QSOs, and come
> back after some other activity and see how many new countries and QSOs that
> the computer made, this is unlike Digital modes where operators
Below is Letter for QST on this subject that may (or not) be published FYI.
Glad to hear AA1K back calling CQ on CW in the AM. I am there too looking for
CW DX. - 73, Alan K9MBQ
If Hams who use WSJT/FT modes enjoy using them, by all means do so.
However, I strongly disagree with and object to
As ham radio changes there will remain at least a niche for CW, SSB, and
RTTY and it's competitions. FT8 will supplement the bands , not supplant
it, IMO. Do you think FT8, FT4 and whatever digital modes come along are
the future or will something else take its place? Who knows... time and
Think about the time *we all *could have been on the air, while staring
at our screens, typing and reading. I make QSY to the shack - Hpe CU!
Harry, DH1NBE
Am 02.08.2019 um 21:26 schrieb uy0zg:
I do not propose stopping the FT8.
just compete with each other.
But keep in mind - Arnold
I do not propose stopping the FT8.
just compete with each other.
But keep in mind - Arnold will be the first -)):
https://www.alamy.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-terminator-2-judgment-day-1991-image66516208.html
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Nick, UY0ZG
http://www.topband.in.ua
W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02
Ah so all FT8 users are cheaters. Does that mean that all Russian hams
use way more power than they should and their scores should not count
either?
The real issue here is change. Ham radio has been in constant motion
and change since it started and I hope in continues that way well after
Hello, Mike
This is how the world works so that humanity always has moral values.
They must be protected.
Example:
in a few years, 334 VE1ZZ countries will lose their value. His
achievements will be eaten by computer programs and robots
It is right ?
Will there be many talents at 160
Shutting down?
I just don't think continual bashing of people enjoying the hobby is
good for the hobby. Cheaters will be dealt with.
What could this "discussion" on this list possible solve?
Sorry you don't like FT-X. Many don't like CW and SSB but they are not
on here bashing other hams
So you would like to shut down all discussion because the 'science is
settled'. Good factual discussion is important, but you see it as not
getting along. I disagree.
Doug
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein
-Original Message-
Cheating is cheating. How many people used remote stations, exceeded
their power limits, etc. Singling out a mode because you are upset
that it has taken away activity in your preferred mode is not helpful
to the hobby. Not everyone that use FT8 cheats. Not everyone that
uses a amp
Anywhere this auto list is viewable?
Joe WB9SBD
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On 8/2/2019 4:03 AM, Ross Johnson wrote:
To Carl , my computer is not cleaver enough to work 60 countries FT8
on its own.
I have to check grey line, put many
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