Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Grant Saviers
ZL3IX I think by accident had a fence with a break in it. My not working Beverage was 4'up over a continuous welded wire fence. Then some NEC2 modeling of a 600' Beverage 6' above a continuous 3 wire (wires at 2,3, & 4') barb wire fence, showed poor F/B. Mine was worse over the welded 6"x 6"

Re: Topband: BOG questions

2019-08-24 Thread Mark Lunday
This is interesting. Thanks for sharing, Mikek. I put down 200 feet of insulated wire BOG pointed at EU, just set it down on the ground...sometimes over a fallen small tree but almost always within 12 inches of ground. I fed it with 75 ohm TV cable. I did not terminate it, and I used a KD9SV

Re: Topband: 160m Season Has Begun Here

2019-08-24 Thread Artek Manuals
Sig One of the few things I miss about living in New England (don't miss it enough to own a snow shovel again), Is the 160/80 path to EU My theory is LA/SM/OH and OJ0 all have a really "long" gray line. right now. What time did you work OJ0O ?� I just finished my "prototype" N/S R-BOG to

Topband: Modeling close to earth ( was Odd-ball question)

2019-08-24 Thread Artek Manuals
Chuck et all It is well documented that the the NEC-2 based programs leave something to be desired� with wires on or very near the ground, This includes most of the EZENEC� family and MMANA-G� Purportedly NEC-4 ( there is a Ezenec version which runs with NEC 4 engine ... not a cheap date) does

Topband: 160m Season Has Begun Here

2019-08-24 Thread k1zm--- via Topband
Hi There Two days ago I hooked up the 160m antenna and can report that the season is off to a start - at least here it is. Two pages of Eu stations on CW, 5T5 on FT8 - and OJ0O last night also on CW - RST 599 on 1824. For some reason the LA's and SM's and OH's are the best signals at this time of

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Greg - ZL3IX
My own experience is that a fence does not degrade the Bev pattern too much as long as the Bev is sufficiently high above the fence wire. I mount my wires about 3 m above the fence. I have never modelled an inductively-loaded Beverage, but my intuition is that it will not perform any better th

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Mike Waters
As long as the fence is pointed in the right direction. :-) www.w0btu.com/Beverage_antennas.html#Misc_Beverage_antenna_notes On this page, there are some links to ZL3IX (?) experiences with his Beverages mounted at different heights above metal fences. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sat, Aug 24, 201

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Chuck Dietz
And, by the way, K5GN and W5KU report that their Beverage above a barbed wire fence is the BEST Beverage at their place. Chuck W5PR On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM Chuck Dietz wrote: > I seem to remember someone saying the modelling programs are unreliable > when a wire is close to the ground.

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Mike Waters
Good point, Chuck! You are absolutely right. I would have modeled it above the ground, at least at first. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:41 PM Chuck Dietz wrote: > I seem to remember someone saying the modelling programs are unreliable > when a wire is close to the ground. Also

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Chuck Dietz
I seem to remember someone saying the modelling programs are unreliable when a wire is close to the ground. Also, there is really no way to model the properties of "ground." It can vary in just a few feet and the moisture content varies from day to day. I think this is a "try it" kind of antenna. R

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Mikek
 The trick is to take the dc control winding and it's inductance out of the antenna circuit, which I think can be done with a large bypass capacitor. Here's a simple drawing. The BOG goes to antenna in, through the .47uF cap (Xc=.67ohms at 500kHz, 0.1 ohm at 4Mhz) through variable inductor,

Re: Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Mike Waters
The only way to predict the RDF and pattern is by modeling it. I don't know of anyone who has done this. I have a few of my .ez Beverage models in w0btu.com/files/ as a starting point, but I don't think that I uploaded everything there. There are free antenna modeling programs out there. I have on

Topband: An oddball question about a BOG.

2019-08-24 Thread Mikek
But what did you mean by "proper pattern"? I should have said, the best pattern that adjusting the Inductive loads will provide. Yes, I understand the pattern changes with frequency. What I want to do is inductively load the antenna, so it will have the same pattern as if we increased the l

Re: Topband: 160 meter antenna possibilities

2019-08-24 Thread GEORGE WALLNER
Byron, I would go with the T (and a good radial field). George, AA7JV/C6AGU On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 14:14:13 + (UTC) Byron Tatum wrote: Hello-   I hope I do not intrude too much here for a little advice about 160 meter antenna choices. I am getting settled in to my new QTH and am in process

Topband: 160 meter antenna possibilities

2019-08-24 Thread Byron Tatum
Hello-    I hope I do not intrude too much here for a little advice about 160 meter antenna choices. I am getting settled in to my new QTH and am in process of getting antenna systems put up. I have a 30' x 50' metal shop building, the 50' length running east/west, sitting on about 4 acres behin

Re: Topband: Fan dipole ruins 160 rx ?

2019-08-24 Thread S57AD
Ciao Rik, I don't think fan dipole would contribute to 160 receiving, on the other hand, 160m legs will decrease useable bandwidth of 80 & 40m dipoles. Have been there, done that! 73, Mirko, S57AD V V sob., 24. avg. 2019 ob 08:08 je oseba Riccardo Negro napisala: > Hi all, no experience to sh