> I can only figure one possible how someone is exactly on PTOS Fx and
> repeated keep calling directly on the DX Transmit frequency and that
> is that they have their radio set split and then reversed it while
> still listening to both frequencies simultaneously. This way they
> would hear the
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From: "Bob Garrett" < rgarre...@comcast.net >
To: < garyk...@wi.rr.com >, < topband@contesting.com >
Subject: Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...
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I'm not a dxpeditioner, but even so I frequently find myself on the
receiving end of pileups, particularly with EU. The behavior of some callers
occasionally makes the process very painful. It's also much more work than I
think some people understand. Callers who end with "enjoy the pileup"
actuall
I agree with John. Some of this stuff is accidental. Some is from lack
of experience and some, of course, is malicious. It isn't really new
but there is more of it now than before.
73,
Dave K8MN
On 11/13/2012 15 50, John K9UWA wrote:
Sometimes its accidental guys. Picture this example.
DX
Enjoy reading!
73 de Lup, DJ7SW
http://www.ok1rr.com/index.php/operating/20-errare-humanum-est
Am 13.11.2012 15:56, schrieb Chortek, Robert L:
<< John, k9uwa wrote:
Sometimes its accidental guys. Picture this example. DX says: TU Everybody
calls. I drop in my call twice at 30 WPM. Hear nothi
Kudos to the operators at PT0S for their adjustment to band conditions
and volume of callers. I listened for two nights before making the dive
into the mayhem. To me the first few nights the operators were going far
to fast for the conditions especially for those in Rocky Mountain states
and We
I strongly suspect that some dirtbags transmit someones
callsign on top of the DX just to provoke the resulting
cacophony of UP, LID, IDIOT, etc that results. If people
would smarten up and not respond to these trolls the
situation would be much better.
73, Roger
--
Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5)
On 11/13/2012 7:56 AM, Chortek, Robert L wrote:
Yes, sometimes it is accidental, and I have been guilty of calling when I
should be listening.
Of course, but not for six or seven TX/RX cycles! We should be calling
ONLY when we can copy the DX station well enough to know what's going
on. I d
I know that I've been QRM on top of the DXPedition I've been trying
to get, always accidentally but I've been on the Tx frequency &
calling when the DX is looking for specific locations ile EU/AF/OC &
so on. I've never intentionally QRMed anyone. As I said though, I've
made unwitting mistakes.
<< John, k9uwa wrote:
Sometimes its accidental guys. Picture this example. DX says: TU Everybody
calls. I drop in my call twice at 30 WPM. Hear nothing. Drop in call twice
again. ... during that brief moment DX sends 7DX? and I don't hear him as I am
still transmitting call twice. And again I
Bob, I agree with you. If I remember correctly, getting close to (NTCA)= no
tower climbing age, VP6DX used a very good procedure moving their TX QRG
up/down by about 0.5 kHz, more than enough to keep the real amateur bastards
away from making qrm on their TX FQ.
I guess this "new flue" is gettin
Sometimes its accidental guys. Picture this example.
DX says: TU
Everybody calls. I drop in my call twice at 30 WPM. Hear nothing. Drop in
call twice again. ... during that brief moment DX sends 7DX? and I don't hear
him as I am still transmitting call twice.
And again I hear nothing as DX is no
With all the explanations and angst over this type of behavior truly it comes
down simply to pure unabashed idiocy by our "comrades". I'd just like to sit
next to one of these guys while they r doing it and ask why? Are they serious
about trying to make a contact calling out of turn, calling wh
I amazed at the number of DXers who call non stop, almost regardless if
whether PT0S is working someone. And then, my favorite, "7DX??". And many who
have no possible relation to that call keep sending.
Bob AA6VB
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On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:10 AM, "K4SAV" wrote:
> The thin
The thing I find amazing is the number of people that send on top of the
station that the DX is trying to work. For the past two nights while
listening to PT0S and listening for the frequency of the station he is
working, I always hear the same station at that frequency sending
non-stop on top
Last night on 80m it was kind of funny as I was spotted at least twice while
I was calling PT0S. Must have had a big signal but no QSO.
Doug
I'll run the race, and I will never be the same again.
-Original Message-
On 11/12/2012 1:48 PM, Mike(W5UC) & Kathy (K5MWH) wrote:
> I just tell
Finally, a voice of reason! All this talk of "amps with handles", W3LPL
spotting, public humiliation and avoiding this subject is BS. Like it or
not, this behavior has been around for a long time. Personally, I sit back
and wait till the tuning and jamming begins. While the cops are ranting on
ing.com] on behalf of Jim Brown
[j...@audiosystemsgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:29 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...
On 11/12/2012 8:36 AM, N1BUG wrote:
> I question how many good operators would have the... [ahem]
> "courage"
On 11/12/2012 8:36 AM, N1BUG wrote:
I question how many good operators would have the... [ahem]
"courage" to out the offenders.
I am sufficiently disgusted with behavior in the pileups tonight and
last night to observe that some using VE3XB repeatedly called PT0S when
PT0S was repeatedly
What gets me is the one who has a fantastic antenna farm but still has to
resort to a tube with handles when he doesnt get thru right away with the
store bought amp. The signal increase is dramatic and he is a regular on the
forum.
Carl
KM1H
It's like the guys we know who operate illegal p
I don't like seeing all the comments I'm reading in the cluster reports. It's
sad.. but it will pass soon.
Like someone else pointed out.. I'd hate to see people turn away from all the
hassles of an expedition like PT0S because of the acts of some.
I haven't had contact with PT0S yet but I k
11/12/2012 9:36 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
Michael,
Good advice. Remember to contact the potential offender off-list.
Mike N2MS
- Original Message -
From: Michael Tope
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:27:01 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: Topband: Outing The Scof
Since I sort of started this with my post last night...
I don't think that public humiliation is going to fix this problem. As
others have pointed out, there is too much of a potential for abuse with
people deliberately signing others callsigns, etc. I think the best is
peer pressure from loc
On 2012-11-12, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) wrote:
> This topic is getting old.
> Here's another point of view:
> Why should I let myself get aggravated over the poor operating habits of
> others?
> Why should their bad behavior take up my valuable time to give them the
> attention they w
2012 17:27:01 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...
For illegal power, there is not much you can do unless, as you say, you
are in the shack watching it. For bad operating you can diplomatically
mention to the offender that your heard someone using their call and
using very
<<
Michael,
Good advice. Remember to contact the potential offender off-list.
Mike N2MS
- Original Message -
From: Michael Tope
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:27:01 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: Topband: Outing The Scofflaws...
For illegal power, there is not much you
This topic is getting old.
Here's another point of view:
Why should I let myself get aggravated over the poor operating habits of
others?
Why should their bad behavior take up my valuable time to give them the
attention they want?
I can't be bothered writing complaints or naming names or "outin
For illegal power, there is not much you can do unless, as you say, you
are in the shack watching it. For bad operating you can diplomatically
mention to the offender that your heard someone using their call and
using very poor operating techniques (specifics supplied) and that you
figured that
It's like the guys we know who operate illegal power. Several of them are
well known contesters, and some are well known 160 guys. Others are packet
cheaters in contests. No one ever confronts these guys, at least
directly...including me.
I was once accused of using illegal power in conte
This post may get moderated, but I will try it anyway.
I question how many good operators would have the... [ahem]
"courage" to out the offenders. As I say this I am thinking of
one particular individual whose operating standards are consistently
deplorable. This was often the topic of dis
On 2012-11-12, at 11:08 AM, cqtestk...@aol.com wrote:
> Nice idea, but the majority of the really terrible stuff is done by guys
> who don't sign their calltuning up, or pretending to be the DX station,
> or some kind of intentional interference. We've all done the wrong VFO
> thing an
Nice idea, but the majority of the really terrible stuff is done by guys
who don't sign their calltuning up, or pretending to be the DX station,
or some kind of intentional interference. We've all done the wrong VFO
thing and sent our call on the DX stations freq. That is easily identif
Here's an idea that I'll toss up into the air as a (possible) first step in
bringing a few of these lawless characters to heel:
Maintain some sort of an open-to-all web page that is frequented by would-be
future DX'peditions that contains a master list of the call signs of those
habitual displa
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