Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-18 Thread N1BUG
On 01/17/2014 09:51 PM, Tom W8JI wrote: Intermod is a function of the TOTAL voltage of all the signal sources at the point where the diodes are. This is why some systems work with diodes, and some systems completely fall apart. The problem can come from a hundred small signals, each signal far

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-18 Thread N1BUG
On 01/18/2014 06:20 AM, N1BUG wrote: Indeed. I've had problems with ICE 196 receiver protectors for several years. I assume the intermod is generated by the diodes in those devices, though I do not know that for a fact. The problem occurs on nights when propagation is very good both in the AM BC

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-18 Thread James Rodenkirch
Thanks to all for the insightful replies/advice. It would appear the use of clamping FETs is worth a try... 72, Jim R. K9JWV _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-18 Thread Tom W8JI
Indeed. I've had problems with ICE 196 receiver protectors for several years. I assume the intermod is generated by the diodes in those devices, though I do not know that for a fact. The problem occurs on nights when propagation is very good both in the AM BC band and shortwave in the 5-7 MHz

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-18 Thread Don Kirk
Jim, Getting directly back to your original question, I built a KD9SV preamp, and it has clamp diodes included in the design (I did not add them, they were part of the original design by KD9SV). Does you KD9SV preamp already have clamp diodes protecting its input, and if so you have already

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-18 Thread James Rodenkirch
and work y'all with my QRP peanut whistle! Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 13:53:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question From: wd8...@gmail.com To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com Hi Jim, You might post that info to the topband reflector (about your preamp having clamp diodes already

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-18 Thread mstangelo
When I build a preamp I install the cupped machine pins from an IC socket in the protection device mounting holes so that I can experiment with different protective devices and easily replace devices which have been damaged. If you have IMD from back to back diodes try two or three diodes in

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-17 Thread Charlie Cunningham
Subject: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question A friend of mine is building me a switching arrangement with a reed relay to switch between my transmit antenna and a receive delta loop to the one antenna input for my Ten Tec Jupiter (I operate at QRP levels for contests). As an added

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-17 Thread Petr Ourednik
Hello Jim, 3x fast relays, 2x switching transistors, 3x resistors and box with connectors... You have KD9SV front-end saver. No diodes, no RX performance degradation. I never had issue on my K3 with KD9SV saver in ext.RX front-end. Let me know I will send You the drawing. Hope it helps my

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-17 Thread Don Kirk
Hi Jim and gang, I use protection diodes on the front end of my W1FB preamps (as well as before an IC amp in the preamp, and on the output of the preamp) and have never been able to detect receiver performance degradation on 160 meters due to the clamping diodes (had to include the diode clamps

Re: Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-17 Thread Tom W8JI
I use protection diodes on the front end of my W1FB preamps (as well as before an IC amp in the preamp, and on the output of the preamp) and have never been able to detect receiver performance degradation on 160 meters due to the clamping diodes (had to include the diode clamps before the IC amp

Topband: To clamp or NOT...that IS the question

2014-01-17 Thread Don Kirk
Hi Tom, You said : What works OK in one place will almost always not work the same in another You just confirmed what I was trying to say, and that is in some applications it just might work. If I had not tried simple clamp diodes in my application I would have made my system complicated via