Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-08 Thread niftybunny
It was nothing personal at all. My point was and is: You can’t substitute a German non profit with this organisation. Even if you could, torservers.net are supporting all the others smaller orgs, not the other way around. Thats a lot of work organising orgs and also avoiding unnecessary work

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-08 Thread Mitar
Hi! So I initially just wanted to share a tool/service which I think addresses some of the issues I noticed in projects, when people get burned out because of all the paperwork involved. I replied further to mostly address some, from my perspective, misunderstandings about this tool/service. By pr

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-07 Thread teor
Hi niftybunny, Mitar, > On 7 Aug 2019, at 17:37, niftybunny > wrote: > > Thats complete and utter bullshit. After thinking about it for a while, I have allowed this email through moderation. I considered rejecting it, because this thread is getting repetitive. And it seems like you're gettin

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-07 Thread niftybunny
Thats complete and utter bullshit. First off, nice to see you are fighting for the good in the world, while having a company in Delaware. Paying 0% taxes. Fuck the working poor, fuck all taxpayers and fuck the government that need these taxes … nice touch . https://docs.opencollective.com/help/

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-06 Thread Mitar
Hi! One interesting option could be that the existing tor servers non-profit applies as a host organization. And then other tor-based projects could be fiscally sponsored by it. That means other tor-based projects would not have to have/be a non-profit (and could decide to not take any pay cut). B

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-06 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:30 AM niftybunny wrote: > Okay, I´ll bite. How do they solve this? You can see the list of hosts they have here: https://opencollective.com/hosts > They have ready made non profits in Germany (eingetragener gemeinnütziger > Verein) that I can use and rename and yo

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-06 Thread niftybunny
> > This is exactly what OpenCollective solves. They have a set of > non-profits which act as host organizations and do all this fiscal > work for you. You do not have to do any paperwork, any taxes, etc. > Those non-profits take 5% for this work, but it does simplify this if > the problem is in

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-06 Thread Mitar
Hi! I do not want to repeat myself and I really do not care about Open Collective too much (I am not affiliated with them in any way), but: > For a German non profit (eingetragener gemeinnütziger Verein) you need at > least 7 people, lots of paperwork, going to your tax office, yearly mandatory

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-05 Thread niftybunny
The problem (I think) is not the financial side. For a German non profit (eingetragener gemeinnütziger Verein) you need at least 7 people, lots of paperwork, going to your tax office, yearly mandatory meetings etc. And that’s only to fund a non profit. To run this you need a lot of labor to ke

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-05 Thread Tim Niemeyer
Hi We don't need a funding platform. We need someone who * maintains the social contacts * gives interviews * does the tax declaration * ... and so on ... Tim Am Freitag, den 02.08.2019, 08:44 -0700 schrieb Mitar: Hi! Yes, running a non-profit for you is not free (accounting costs, at least).

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-04 Thread Mitar
Hi! Yes, running a non-profit for you is not free (accounting costs, at least). I think costs are explained well here: https://docs.opencollective.com/help/about/pricing You can install Open Collective software on your own server and having your own fiscal host, and then there are no costs (see

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-02 Thread niftybunny
They want 10% ONLY for money transfer. This must be a joke. You can get a bank account for free in 5 minutes in Germany. > On 2. Aug 2019, at 03:35, Mitar wrote: > > > But these days I am playing with an idea that > https://opencollective.com/ might be something which would allow one > to dupl

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-02 Thread Mitar
Hi! Thanks for this update about torservers. I have been around when it has started, but then got busy myself with other things. But these days I am playing with an idea that https://opencollective.com/ might be something which would allow one to duplicate and replicate what torservers have done

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-05-13 Thread Mirimir
On 05/12/2019 12:17 PM, Chris Kerr wrote: > On Saturday, 4 May 2019 11:57:24 CEST Moritz Bartl wrote: >> This is a call for help! > I don't think I could do everything, nor would it be desirable for so much to > depend on one person. However, I am sure that there are a lot of things that >

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-05-12 Thread Chris Kerr
On Saturday, 4 May 2019 11:57:24 CEST Moritz Bartl wrote: > The only capacity I can offer is that we *need* someone to step up, and grab > me at some event in meatspace. Ideally at that point that person is willing > to have the A record pointed at some new place under their control, and we > ca

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-05-07 Thread grarpamp
On 5/7/19, Tyler Durden wrote: > It has been a hell of a ride Yes :) Many of us remember day of torservers beginning days, and or have taken part creating, running, supporting, aligning with it over time. Those sorts of big projects are no small undertaking. Especially setting up of legal and fun

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-05-07 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Moritz Bartl: > I send you and all the others who have been offering assistance > warm greetings and a thank-you, but we need someone to step up as > coordinator. As I wrote last year, I would be willing to help Torservers, but coordinator is not a role I want. > Maybe the better option is ind

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-05-07 Thread Tyler Durden
I'm very sad to read this but I totally understand you. Running such an organization is not easy and even a bit ungrateful. Never the less we from FVDE want to thank you and everybody behind torservers.net and Zwiebelfreunde e.V. It has been a hell of a ride and maybe you are right and the retreat

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-05-05 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 04.05.19 17:21, Ralph Seichter wrote: >> This is a call for help! > I offered to help last year, but my email to your support address did > not result in an answer, so I pretty much shrugged it off. I'm sure I > can find that message and forward it to you. > > -Ralph Thank you. This is a good

Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-05-04 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Moritz Bartl: > This is a call for help! I offered to help last year, but my email to your support address did not result in an answer, so I pretty much shrugged it off. I'm sure I can find that message and forward it to you. -Ralph ___ tor-relays ma

[tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-05-04 Thread Moritz Bartl
tl;dr: torservers.net needs a new home! I started torservers.net after a random chat at a local bar some time early 2010. I wore a Tor shirt, and the guy next to me asked if that was "The Onion", the satire magazine. He became pretty excited about Tor after I told him what it was about, opened his