Luther Blissett:
Katya Titov:
Nicolas Vigier:
I don't know what is the exact definition of open Internet, but
I'm not sure we should oppose that to Tor hidden services. The
Tor hidden services are accessed using the internet, and they
also look very open to me: anybody can access them if
On Fri, 2014-01-31 at 20:08 +1000, Katya Titov wrote:
Luther Blissett:
Katya Titov:
Nicolas Vigier:
I don't know what is the exact definition of open Internet, but
I'm not sure we should oppose that to Tor hidden services. The
Tor hidden services are accessed using the internet, and
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:00:55 +
mick m...@rlogin.net wrote:
Katya's wiki page nicely encapsulates some the definitions, but I
think the definition of deep web might benefit from some tweaking to
take account of such commentary as Sergey Brin's lament back in april
2012 (1)
According to
On Tue, 2014-01-28 at 08:05 +1000, Katya Titov wrote:
Nicolas Vigier:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014, Katya Titov wrote:
- Dark web: Sites not accessible from the open Internet (Tor
hidden services, I2P eepsites, etc)
I don't know what is the exact definition of open
Katya's wiki page nicely encapsulates some the definitions, but I
think the definition of deep web might benefit from some tweaking to
take account of such commentary as Sergey Brin's lament back in april
2012 (1)
According to the article referenced. Brin complained that Apple and
Facebook's
@Katya
From my own perspective, a network can be considered overlay if some or all
of the nodes perform a relay and/or routing function via server-to-server or
peer-to-peer communications.
Obvious candidates include Tor, I2P and various VPN implementations, as well
as IRC. Less obvious ones
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014, Katya Titov wrote:
- Dark web: Sites not accessible from the open Internet (Tor
hidden services, I2P eepsites, etc)
I don't know what is the exact definition of open Internet, but I'm
not sure we should oppose that to Tor hidden services. The Tor
Nicolas Vigier:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014, Katya Titov wrote:
- Dark web: Sites not accessible from the open Internet (Tor
hidden services, I2P eepsites, etc)
I don't know what is the exact definition of open Internet, but I'm
not sure we should oppose that to Tor
Parity Boy:
@Katya
From my own perspective, a network can be considered overlay if
some or all of the nodes perform a relay and/or routing function via
server-to-server or peer-to-peer communications.
Obvious candidates include Tor, I2P and various VPN implementations,
as well as IRC.
-- more like on the order of 1000 hidden services, many of which aren't
I'll try to post a current datapoint on this later. No real news though.
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Mirimir:
On 01/25/2014 04:53 AM, Katya Titov wrote:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HowBigIsTheDarkWeb
I've never liked the term Dark Web. There's nothing dark about it,
except in the sense that Africa was called the Dark Continent
because it was little known in Europe. It
On 01/26/2014 06:23 AM, Katya Titov wrote:
I generally agree, however the term is in common usage and we're
probably stuck with it, just as we're stuck with the common definition
of the word 'hacker'. I guess we could define a synonymous word and
use that in lieu of dark ... 'private' isn't
You are hard to follow. Dont get rid of me yet ok? I'm not ready to go,
Julie Chartier
On Jan 26, 2014 8:45 PM, Katya Titov katti...@yandex.com wrote:
Rick:
Why should you be stuck with anything? You're writing an important
piece for an important project: You know... the onion with the
Rick:
Why should you be stuck with anything? You're writing an important
piece for an important project: You know... the onion with the crown?
What you're writing may well become a source, a reference. You drive
the conversation. All the words are belong to you. :)
In a very broad sense I'd
Hi all,
I have a question or two about terminology in use when discussing
non-indexable portions of the web.
Relevant terms I see are deep web and dark web, with occasional
references to dark Internet. Definitions which I use, and which seem
to be reasonably popular are:
- Deep web:
Hi Katya,
I wish there were clear definitions for these terms, but there aren't,
and I guess there never will be. I encourage you to dig deeper on this
topic, and collect a nice set of opinions and links somewhere. It should
not turn into a discussion on whose definition is right though...
In a
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote:
So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web?
Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling
for some statistics about the number of hidden services as of about
a year ago. It's not all that precise (and the
On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 05:06 -0500, Roger Dingledine wrote:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote:
So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web?
Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling
for some statistics about the number of hidden
Roger Dingledine:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote:
So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web?
Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling
for some statistics about the number of hidden services as of about
a year ago. It's not all
On 14-01-25 06:53 AM, Katya Titov wrote:
Roger Dingledine:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote:
So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web?
Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling
for some statistics about the number of hidden
krishna e bera:
On 14-01-25 06:53 AM, Katya Titov wrote:
I've put together an article and placed it on the Tor Trac/Wiki:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HowBigIsTheDarkWeb
Cool - it's concise and useful as a reference point for media or
public relations.
To push the
On 01/25/2014 12:53 PM, Katya Titov wrote:
I've put together an article and placed it on the Tor Trac/Wiki:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HowBigIsTheDarkWeb
It's a start, and I'll keep searching for more relevant information.
Thanks for this. Quite good already!
There are
On 01/25/2014 04:53 AM, Katya Titov wrote:
Roger Dingledine:
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote:
So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web?
Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling
for some statistics about the number of hidden
Moritz Bartl:
There are approximately 5000 Tor relays and under 2500 Tor bridges,
this may provide an indication of an upper bound on the number of
hidden services.
There is no correlation between the number of relays and hidden
services? Hidden services should rather be behind simple Tor
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:33:12 -0700
Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote:
Analogous private networks, generally called anonets, are also routed
via VPNs through the Internet.
There is anoNet/anoNet2 [1] which are a very specific particular project; but
that's the first time ever I hear that private
On 01/25/2014 08:42 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:33:12 -0700
Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote:
Analogous private networks, generally called anonets, are also routed
via VPNs through the Internet.
There is anoNet/anoNet2 [1] which are a very specific particular project;
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