Instant communication isn't always on the top of my list! I'm just getting
caught up in this thread and it's the end of my day today, so I'll reply to
this message as it's the last one I read :)
-Original Message-
From: Kostas Jakeliunas
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:27 AM
Totally out
I'm killing this thread. It's moved beyond all usefulness and people
are complaining about it to me.
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On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 05:22:26PM +, adrelanos wrote:
At the moment most techies just don't believe or can't imagine that
anyone has more difficulties using a mailing list compared to a forum.
I very much doubt that.
It's just that mailing lists/IRC work well for us, and browser-based
I'm killing this thread. It's moved beyond all usefulness and people
are complaining about it to me.
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Hi Andrew,
I'm killing this thread. It's moved beyond all usefulness and people
are complaining about it to me.
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On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Cat S wrote:
Hi Warren,
It's now clear to me you're a troll, or at least very dense and obtuse.
sigh
And you are irrational.
If you're so new to Tor, why don't you build up some cred before telling me
what to do?
I have not told you what to do. I have
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:27:05 -0700 (PDT)
Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com wrote:
1. Why is it you didn't answer my main question, that I and others
have asked (in and out of my thread): Where did the money go that was
earmarked for the forum? please answer that question specifically.
The money
Totally out of the blue, but if there were a forum which also had a simple
way of subscribing to threads and sub-forums so that one could receive
emails and *respond* by replying to the special email address used for
relaying them the message, would that be something worth considering?
(Perhaps
On 18.06.2013 10:27, Kostas Jakeliunas wrote:
Totally out of the blue, but if there were a forum which also had a simple
way of subscribing to threads and sub-forums so that one could receive
emails and *respond* by replying to the special email address used for
relaying them the message,
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 06:51:05PM -0700, Cat S wrote:
2. This e-mail you wrote only very recently appeared in my Yahoo! inbox, and
I refresh every couple of minutes. Your second e-mail that's up on Tor Talk
hasn't even arrived in my inbox yet. That's why I'm so pissed that Tor deiced
to
Hi all,
I must agree with that... Install a fucking web forum !! It's worth 1 to 10
hours of work...
!!!
2013/6/18 Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com
Hi all,
This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for those of us
who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not allowing
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:36:50 +0200
Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
Why not FB or G+, or whatever.
Well for one, because it will be kind of hilarious when you won't be able
to use the Tor forum/group/circle/whatever _via Tor_.
Google already does hassle Tor users with their constant captchas
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 07:24:58PM +0600, Roman Mamedov wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:36:50 +0200
Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
Why not FB or G+, or whatever.
Well for one, because it will be kind of hilarious when you won't be able
to use the Tor forum/group/circle/whatever _via
On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com wrote:
This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for those of us
who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not allowing a lot of
people to community by using this Ivory tower mailing-list crap.
Personally,
Warren Michelsen:
On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com wrote:
This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for
those of us who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not
allowing a lot of people to community by using this Ivory tower
mailing-list
Kostas Jakeliunas:
Totally out of the blue, but if there were a forum which also had a simple
way of subscribing to threads and sub-forums so that one could receive
emails and *respond* by replying to the special email address used for
relaying them the message, would that be something worth
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:08 PM, adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net wrote:
[...]
AFAIK, there's no such solution at present, at least for something which
would effectively implement a mailing list allowing for active
participation and even moderation from the email side of things. But it
- Original Message -
From: Warren Michelsen war...@mdcclxxvi.us
I'm not sure where you're coming from. Why can't non-techies use email?!?
How is this mailing list preventing a lot of people from communicating?
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this allegation is
Hi Warren,
From: Warren Michelsen war...@mdcclxxvi.us
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
Cat S:
I don't want to re-hash _years_ old debates, please read the bug
report links and other links I posted to old tor-talk threads. That
will explain why I and many others feel there should be an official
Tor forum.
TL;DR: Newbs won't use mailing-lists; mailing-lists are a entry
barrier
Speaking of which...how does one 'quit' said mailing list?
On 18 June 2013 01:14, Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all,
This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for those of us
who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not allowing a lot of
people to
Hi Low-Key^2,
From: Low-Key² cryptic...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
- Original Message -
From: Warren Michelsen
Hi adrelanos,
From: adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
Cat S:
I don't want to re-hash
Hi Kai,
From: Kai Childheart kai.childheartl...@gmail.com
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
Speaking of which...how
On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Cat S wrote:
I don't want to re-hash _years_ old debates, please read the bug report links
and other links I posted to old tor-talk threads.
Bug reports? Email bug reports? Tor bug reports?
That will explain why I and many others feel there should be an
Why dont we encourage the fellow who is doing a serious usability study
on Tor software to apply his expertise to this topic since it affects
Tor users?
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I can only speak for myself, but I stayed away from mailing lists when I
was a 'newb' because they seemed strange and technical. This is also back
at a time when I did not use email very often.
I think that how much you use email is closely related to how much you like
mailing lists. As someone
krishna e bera:
Why dont we encourage the fellow who is doing a serious usability study
on Tor software to apply his expertise to this topic since it affects
Tor users?
Good idea. Can you write a friendly mail please and add cc here?
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- Original Message -
From: Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com
In this case I think the grandma test is in order. That is, can a
grandmother
easily use the tor-talk mailing-list to get help with Tor?
Both my parents are grandparents and would qualify as technologically inept.
These
Hi Warren,
From: Warren Michelsen war...@mdcclxxvi.us
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:47 AM,
Hi krishna,
From: adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
krishna e bera:
Why dont we
Hi David,
From: David Vorick david.vor...@gmail.com
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
I
On a side note. Your email title quote That evey1 can useI think
thats is a great goal..but may never be achievable. Your asking for a
process which everyone can use. Where everyone is comfortable. Being
as some people prefer email over forums, and some forums over email.. as
well as
Hi Low-Key^2
From: Low-Key² cryptic...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
- Original Message -
From: Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com
In
On 06/18/2013 04:01 PM, adrelanos wrote:
SNIP
In a forum, its contents advertise itself and they get well indexed by
search engines. Things are sorted by topics. For a mailing list you have
to click on archives to see if people are using it at all and about what
kind of topics they are
Hello, Id like to add to this discussion as a personal aside.
When I started using Tor I was a newb as it were, with computers. The
few things I knew about the internet was Email and Google. Thats all I
needed. When I went looking for information on TOR the first place I
ended up was the
On 06/18/2013 05:35 PM, Kai Childheart wrote:
Speaking of which...how does one 'quit' said mailing list?
Back in the day, many mailing lists included unsubscribe links, or even
brief instructions, in message footers. But some subscribers still asked
how to quit ;)
SNIP
On 06/18/2013 06:40 PM, Warren Michelsen wrote:
But do explain how email is a barrier to newbs.
Imagine that you're a new Tor user, with a question that's not addressed
on the Tor Project website.
How would you search tor-talk archives?
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Hi Webmaster,
From: Webmaster webmas...@felononline.info
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
On a side note. Your email
On 06/18/2013 05:42 PM, Cat S wrote:
Hi Webmaster,
From: Webmaster webmas...@felononline.info
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use,
If you think noobs aren't intimidated by and will use mailing-lists, you've
probably been in the tech scene for a very long time.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Webmaster webmas...@felononline.infowrote:
On 06/18/2013 05:42 PM, Cat S wrote:
Hi Webmaster,
Hi Webmaster,
From: Webmaster webmas...@felononline.info
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
On 06/18/2013 05:42 PM, Cat
On Jun 18, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com wrote:
The barriers to newbs e.g. is that using mailing-lists is not easy for
newbs, I've had newbs try this and none of them thought it was simple or fun,
they all complied about the complexity and that it's not simple [0].
On Jun 18, 2013, at 1:50 PM, mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote:
On 06/18/2013 06:40 PM, Warren Michelsen wrote:
But do explain how email is a barrier to newbs.
Imagine that you're a new Tor user, with a question that's not addressed
on the Tor Project website.
How would you search
Hi Warren,
It's now clear to me you're a troll, or at least very dense and obtuse. Go back
under your bridge, you will never get another response from me. Why don't you
go be disingenuous elsewhere?
If you're so new to Tor, why don't you build up some cred before telling me
what to do? As
Hi all,
This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for those of us who
aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not allowing a lot of people to
community by using this Ivory tower mailing-list crap.
I've been using Tor near 10 years now, and this has GOT to change. It's
Hi Cat,
You've been more involved in the Torr community than I over the past 10
years; I'm only newly trying to get really actively involved, and am pretty
much new to the scene, so you can bear that in mind.
OK, You're mail popped up on my screen at h:26 (to nbe non-specific about my
tie zone).
More direct responses:
From: Cat S
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:14 PM
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
real solution = discussion forum
I elaborated on my disagreement in the message I just sent.
I'm going to start an account at stack exchange and try my damndest to
make my question in the
Hi,
I don't want to comment on everything you wrote, I agree with most, except
about e-mail being preferred by the non-techie type.
What I did want to comment on is two things:
1. I would be more than willing to help people that ask questions on a
discussion board (forum), as along as it's
Hi,
As an addendum, I want to correct phrasing, spelling and add links to the old
crappy forum software used by Tor Project that I wouldn't care to use. If we
were using a forum, I could simply Edit my post and correct the spelling,
etc., and not have to send another damn e-mail.
This:
1. I
On 6/18/13 11:51 AM, Cat S wrote:
Stop with the fucking madness! Just make a real solution and be done with
it! Otherwise, decrease the lag time between when a message is posted
on the
mailing-list and when it reaches my inbox. I mean, what the hell?!
Why does
it take so effing long for an
Please forgive my top posting. Posting from a mobile device.
You seem to have been pretty active in the Tor community over the last
decade. If the communications format is so horrible to you, why not do
something about it? Instead of going on a mailing list, using
offensive language, and
Hi Peter,
From: Peter Tonoli peter+...@metaverse.org
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:34 PM
On 6/18/13 11:51 AM, Cat S wrote:
Stop with the fucking madness! Just make a real solution and be done with
it! Otherwise, decrease the lag time between when a message
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com wrote:
real solution = discussion forum
Following a dozen forums is a time-consuming hassle, but keeping up with a
dozen of mailing lists in a proper client with filtering set-up is just a
breeze.
The best you will get from
Hello Anthony,
From: Anthony Papillion anth...@papillion.me
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
You seem to have been pretty active in the Tor community over
Hi Roman,
From: Roman Mamedov r...@romanrm.ru
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that
evey1 can use, I'm DONE
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
Cat S catslove...@yahoo.com wrote:
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