On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 03:44, Ted Smith wrote:
> According to the paper *you linked*, they're outnumbering Chinese users.
You forgot to add “relative to population size”. I don't think that
such direct comparison makes sense, with Chinese users' motivation
being mainly circumventing the GFC. Russ
On Fri, 2012-04-06 at 00:01 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> E.g., in Russia, if I am not mistaken, every ISP of certain size must
> (by law) duplicate all of its traffic to an FSB-supplied box — where
> are the users?
According to the paper *you linked*, they're outnumbering Chinese users.
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On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 15:41, Paul Syverson wrote:
> As Roger and others have
> pointed out earlier in this thread, people who rely on Tor to protect
> sensitive communications are rarely going to be happy to have anything
> revealed about their usage. You are simply not going to hear from
> (most
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:47, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> With more and more countries passing data retention legislation lately
> you can expect that Tor usage will change considerably from month to
> month.
I don't think that enthusiasts (people who change their behavior
without being directly affecte
On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 05:24:28AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 04:15, Ted Smith wrote:
>
> > (Also, have you missed the mail *on this list* from .mil domains?)
>
> There is Paul Syverson, who works at NRL, if I am not mistaken; did I
> miss anyone else?
>
We created T
> In that case I would expect an
> appropriate subsection on the Tor users
> page, provisionally titled “Stoners
> use Tor” — perhaps with the guy
> from the bottom half of the following image
> as a thumbnail:
> http://imgfave.com/view/1134647.
Let's assume for one moment, they make a notable fra
> The Tor Project site has a rather pathetic (although quite extensive
>
> and doubtless useful for propaganda purposes) "Who Uses Tor?" section
>
> [1], a typical example of what I would call “Western sanctimony”.
> I
> wonder
> whether anyone ever attempted to gather some actual
> representative
On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 03:57:55AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> Table 2 (with Germany at the top) in [1] does seem to suggest that
> “Privacy enthusiasts” represent a significant proportion of Tor users.
> Perhaps a 2nd place is deserved (higher than the “Loonies”) in the
> estimated breakdown a
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 04:15, Ted Smith wrote:
> Yes, with Turkey, Russia, Italy, and China just below Germany in that
> same table.
>
> I suppose people trying to use the Internet anonymously in those
> countries are just "privacy enthusiasts"?
I assume that it's different for each country. For
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 04:14, Roger Dingledine wrote:
> For what it's worth, it's the phrasing of assertions like this that make
> people call your posts here trolling.
Perhaps I should have been more specific: the “Militaries” section on
the “Tor users page”, as it is formulated, looks unrealist
On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 03:57:55AM +0300, m...@dee.su wrote 1.1K bytes in 24
lines about:
: Table 2 (with Germany at the top) in [1] does seem to suggest that
: “Privacy enthusiasts” represent a significant proportion of Tor users.
: Perhaps a 2nd place is deserved (higher than the “Loonies”) in t
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 04:25, wrote:
> You could also infer things from this table,
> https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html?table=direct-users&start=2012-01-06&end=2012-04-05#direct-users-table
The paper has the advantage of correlating different statistics
(including intercepted traffic) an
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 01:45, Roger Dingledine wrote:
> There has been some research on what Tor *traffic* is, but the methodology
> soundness is always a question. The question here though is what the
> breakdown of Tor *users* is. Nobody's done a scientifically valid study,
> mostly because of t
On Thu, 2012-04-05 at 03:57 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 01:45, Roger Dingledine wrote:
> > There has been some research on what Tor *traffic* is, but the methodology
> > soundness is always a question. The question here though is what the
> > breakdown of Tor *users* is.
On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 03:57:55AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> Table 2 (with Germany at the top) in [1] does seem to suggest that
> ?Privacy enthusiasts? represent a significant proportion of Tor users.
Notice that this paper is quite old. Since then Iran, has hit the "#2
country using Tor" mar
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 06:21:58PM -0400, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
> There's been research by a CU Boulder team and Yoshi Kohno to this effect.
> You can google it. best, Joe
There has been some research on what Tor *traffic* is, but the methodology
soundness is always a question. The question h
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 18:26, Andreas Krey wrote:
>> Normal people in developed countries who use tor to
>>
>> a) provide the background noise for the users that need protection,
>>
>> b) use it as a way around lack of WLAN security or oth
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 18:26, Andreas Krey wrote:
> Normal people in developed countries who use tor to
>
> a) provide the background noise for the users that need protection,
>
> b) use it as a way around lack of WLAN security or other funny
> ideas of mobile interneter providers,
I don't
There's been research by a CU Boulder team and Yoshi Kohno to this effect.
You can google it. best, Joe
On Wednesday, April 4, 2012, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 18:26, Andreas Krey >
> wrote:
> > Normal people in developed countries who use tor to
> >
> > a) provide the backgr
tor324...@rainslide.net, 04.04.2012 15:53:
> On Wednesday, 04 April, 2012 at 10:43:21 BST, Runa A. Sandvik wrote:
I have TOR icon installed on my desktop. After clicking it, the onion
goes from yellow to green and a popup says 'Welcome to the TOR. Now
I need
help getting to si
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 14:45:48 +, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
...
> * Circumventing a state-wide firewall
> * Paranoid people in developed countries
> * Small-scale trading of illegal drugs
> * Viewing images and videos of pedophilia
Normal people in developed countries who use tor to
a) pr
On Wednesday, 04 April, 2012 at 10:43:21 BST, Runa A. Sandvik wrote:
I have TOR icon installed on my desktop. After clicking it, the onion
goes from yellow to green and a popup says 'Welcome to the TOR. Now I need
help getting to sites like Silk Road. The isn't a spot to type it in like
Google
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 15:23, wrote:
> These are based on real users with real stories. Not everyone wants
> their name tied to their Tor activities for posterity.
I also hope that you don't mind me asking, because lacking reliable
survey data, you seem to be in a unique position of individually
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 09:45:16AM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote 0.6K
bytes in 15 lines about:
: Sorry, no one on this list is going to help you get access to Silk Road.
More accurately, no one at Tor is going to help you otherwise we open
ourselves up to legal liabilities and other nonsens
On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 02:45:48PM +0300, m...@dee.su wrote 1.0K bytes in 26
lines about:
: The Tor Project site has a rather pathetic (although quite extensive
: and doubtless useful for propaganda purposes) "Who Uses Tor?" section
These are based on real users with real stories. Not everyone wa
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:45, Runa A. Sandvik wrote:
> Sorry, no one on this list is going to help you get access to Silk Road.
The Tor Project site has a rather pathetic (although quite extensive
and doubtless useful for propaganda purposes) "Who Uses Tor?" section
[1], a typical example of what
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 15:23, wrote:
> These are based on real users with real stories. […] A lot of people email or
> call looking for help with accessing silk
road.
In that case I would expect an appropriate subsection on the Tor users
page, provisionally titled “Stoners use Tor” — perhaps wi
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:59 AM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, 03 April, 2012 at 21:09:08 BST, frank kearns wrote:
>>
>> I have TOR icon installed on my desktop. After clicking it, the onion
>> goes from yellow to green and a popup says 'Welcome to the TOR. Now I need
>> help getting to sites like Silk R
On Tuesday, 03 April, 2012 at 21:09:08 BST, frank kearns wrote:
I have TOR icon installed on my desktop. After clicking it, the onion goes
from yellow to green and a popup says 'Welcome to the TOR. Now I need help
getting to sites like Silk Road. The isn't a spot to type it in like Google or
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:09 PM, frank kearns wrote:
> I have TOR icon installed on my desktop. After clicking it, the onion goes
> from yellow to green and a popup says 'Welcome to the TOR. Now I need help
> getting to sites like Silk Road. The isn't a spot to type it in like Google
> or oth
I have TOR icon installed on my desktop. After clicking it, the onion goes
from yellow to green and a popup says 'Welcome to the TOR. Now I need help
getting to sites like Silk Road. The isn't a spot to type it in like Google or
other browsers. Thanks for any advice.
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