[Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 gets big press :)

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
From PC World! https://www.pcworld.com/article/2030851/for-a-fully-free-desktop-os-try-trisquel-gnu-linux-6-0.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I get Exaile up-to-date

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
PPAs are something unique to Ubuntu. They're usually more recent versions of software than is in the repository for that release of Ubuntu (or a derivative). The other use is to allow a greater variety of software to be installed than what is packaged in Ubuntu. Ubuntu still has to prioriti

Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I get Exaile up-to-date

2013-03-14 Thread christian
Worked, thank you! Just out of curiosity, why doesn't Trisquel's updater include this?

Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I get Exaile up-to-date

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
You can get the more recent version by grabbing the PPA from LaunchPad here: https://launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/+archive/ppa Instructions for installing it are on the same web page, under 'Adding this PPA to your system'

[Trisquel-users] How do I get Exaile up-to-date

2013-03-14 Thread christian
The most recent version of exaile is 3.3.1, but the version Trisquel 6.0 comes with is 0.3.2.2. I greatly prefer it to rhythmbox, but this version is a little glitchy for me. I'm aware this is probably a stupid question, but I can't figure out how to update it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Program for drawing tree graphs

2013-03-14 Thread magicbanana
I use pst-tree, a LaTeX package based upon PStricks. Very convenient. You can find on the Web beautiful trees made with it (not in the official documentation I pointed too).

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread onpon4
It wasn't "broken" in 5.5; I was able to run it just fine, though I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get the window menus on the panel (something I don't care about, though, because I don't like Unity).

[Trisquel-users] USB digital TV tuner for Europe & USA coming soon

2013-03-14 Thread chris
While a USB N chipset was a major issue until recently there are other products that are coming to the penguin catalog. I've finally gotten the USB TV tuner issue figured out and can confirm that there will be something available shortly. It'll support both the ATSC standard in the United Sta

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 Officially Out; yes- really this time!

2013-03-14 Thread chris
As for 1 it is yours. The dongles cost us less in quantity than shipping likely will. As for 2 this is the final version. No technical or visual changes will be made. We are still waiting on some proper packaging material with our logo on it. Nothing other than this of the physical device tho

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
Yeah, Shiki looks very nice.

Re: [Trisquel-users] What do I need to do here

2013-03-14 Thread gustavo_cm
You just need to realize this is Trisquel, not Ubuntu ;-) About the SSH breakage, you probably just need to change your user password, don't you?

[Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roberto Rodríguez
No complaints with Xfce and can not live without the shiki-theme.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread andrew . roffey
Of course! :-) I only mentioned Clealooks-Phenix as an example of how Xfce can be made to look like a GNOME theme.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Benjamin Rochefort
Le 2013-03-14 21:57, tegskywal...@hotmail.com a écrit : > I know it was broken in 5.5, but can Unity be installed in 6 and does > it show up in the login screen? What do you mean by "it was broken in 5.5"? I had Brigantia w/ Unity running fine on my netbook, with lightdm as the login screen, befor

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread tegskywalker
I know it was broken in 5.5, but can Unity be installed in 6 and does it show up in the login screen?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
Whatever we do, I think it'd be better to keep the long-standing Trisquel look (which is largely borrowed from Elementary), or at least a facsimile of it. Clearlooks-Phenix looks WAY too vanilla.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Screen resolution problems

2013-03-14 Thread gustavo_cm
Trisquel is commited to FSF's Guidelines for Free System Distributions: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html Nobody here will help you with non-free software. You could try a newer Linux-libre kernel, as lembas suggested; I suggest http://jxself.org/linux-

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread andrew . roffey
Off the top of my head I know at least a few people who don't stay connected to the internet 24/7. And wi-fi firmware support in Trisquel isn't great either. I did some more searching around on their lists and found these: http://blog.xfce.org/2012/01/documentation-wiki/ http://mail.xfce.org/

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
Yeah, having a good calendar functionality is important. Recently, Xfce has switched to mainly online documentation, in a wiki format. I would argue that this is the way of the future: collaborative online documentation. Should we be assuming the possibility that the user doesn't have an in

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread andrew . roffey
The default Xfce theme can be changed to look _a lot_ like GNOME (if that's the reason for the bad reaction). A lot of Xfce themes are GTK+2-only, so they make GNOME 3 apps look ugly. But there's a theme called Clearlooks-Phenix that Xfce users can use, and it includes styles for both GTK+2

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread andrew . roffey
Yesterday I wrote that Xfce didn't have desktop documentation, but it turns out I was wrong. Xfce /does/ have offline documentation. I'm not going to say "yeah, let's switch to Xfce" straight away because maybe there's features in GNOME that maybe other people use that Xfce doesn't have, an

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
My point is that a lot of people would prefer to use GNOME Shell if they can. That means some users boot into the classic desktop experience based on Fallback, and others opt into the fairly different GNOME Shell. Maybe that's a feature and not a problem. I hope that switching to GNOME Shel

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Dave Hunt
By "fork of GNOME Fallback", are you referring to Consort? I haven't yet tried it. Have a look at http://solusos.com; I think they have an Alpha ready for testing?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread onpon4
The main benefit of Consort (fork of GNOME Fallback) over MATE (fork or GNOME 2) is that it isn't forking everything; it's supposedly going to stay in sync with GNOME 3 while adding in things that were in GNOME 2. Also, MATE still uses GTK 2, Consort will use GTK 3 (as GNOME 3 does). Person

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread onpon4
What's your point? Trisquel doesn't currently use GNOME Shell by default; it uses GNOME Fallback. I think switching to Xfce would be a great idea, much better than using GNOME Fallback (though that fork of GNOME Fallback might turn out to be another perfectly good idea). It's a clean deskto

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread punkxlash
Hahaha sorry Andrew, the package name is llvmpipe that is a driver.. executes open gl instructions in the cpu. Yes.. its slower but is better than nothing..i dont know how works but is a progress..

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
I agree, customization is secondary to a good out-of-the-box user experience for the largest number of users. Not all of us are named Linus Torvalds (he currently uses Xfce, btw). I use GNOME 3 with a fairy small number of extensions ... I have little need to customize it, because it is alrea

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread punkxlash
About customization.. in my opinion is secondary, people should see it that is better an stable and, as you said, mature DE. Any ways Gnome Developers they receive lot of coments about that and i think they do something after deliber a very nice DE. If im not wrong exist a package named liv

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
"Personally i prefer Gnome shell. Its becoming an strong DE, easy, powerfull and pretty. I think we have to move forward and continue evolving." I share your view. I use GNOME shell and like it more than anything else. It's becoming quite mature now. It is the way forward. We need to ignore t

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread punkxlash
Personally i prefer Gnome shell. Its becoming an strong DE, easy, powerfull and pretty. I think we have to move forward and continue evolving. Andrew why not everyone can use that without going into cruddy fallback mode? because 3D hardware acceleration is needed to run? Any ways this is on

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
GNOME 3 Shell requires 3D KMS on your computer to work properly. Not everyone who runs Linux-libre has that, specifically not people with Radeon GPUs. Ditto with Unity (and it's even heavier). KDE is a classic desktop, but it's not a good option for more subtle reasons (let's start with the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread jbar
xfce is a very good option for those who like a classic desktop, but I'm afraid that many people here would prefer gnome-shell, unity or KDE. And being trisquel oriented to a generic final user, I think one of the "great" DE it's a better choice as default desktop.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
Give me some examples.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
Is LXDE really mature enough to be the main Trisquel DE, though? Like it or not, a genuinely lightweight desktop environment is generally a recipe for a second-rate user experience. One uses LXDE because she must. Xfce is more lightweight-ish, with most of the visual candy, features, and po

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 Officially Out; yes- really this time!

2013-03-14 Thread tegskywalker
Also try to get the new drivers/firmware into Debian unstable and also make contact with Canonical to get it into updated versions of their firmware. I'm guessing this would be for 13.04 but maybe 12.04 and above is a possibility? P.S. I have one of your testing N adapters and it has been wor

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
No, you've got me wrong. I am recommending REPLACING the current DE with Xfce. If my idea were implemented, that would make the current LXDE-based Trisquel Mini edition a moot point (yes I know it's even lighter, but it just ain't worth it). So, that's one LESS edition of Trisquel to mainta

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread tegskywalker
XFCE? Eww

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Dave Hunt
XFCE and LXDE are good candidates for the next Trisquel de. Maybe consort will be ready and worth a look, too?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread jbar
Everyone has his preferences about the DE. I like xfce, too, but it's easy to install and difficult for developers to mantain many trisquel versions. I think a GNOME and a LXDE official versions are enough, at least with current development posibilities. This is my Trisquel 6 with xfce, cle

[Trisquel-users] Idea: Xfce as classic DE for Trisquel 7?

2013-03-14 Thread Roeplay
Who's with me? Xfce can be configured to appear and function nearly identically to the current DE, without much of a feature loss. Since Xfce is (relatively) lighter than GNOME classic, it would make it easier to justify a termination of the Mini edition. One edition of Trisquel for all.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 Officially Out; yes- really this time!

2013-03-14 Thread myself600
New release: http://mediafire.com/?bv2i2bjd5v0by This will bring support for the 3.5 series kernel. I would like to have some feedback, so I know if it's working or not. @Chris: I have some questions about the wireless USB dongle you mentioned: Will the dongle you send me be just borrowed,

Re: [Trisquel-users] What do I need to do here

2013-03-14 Thread mikko . viinamaki
>my Ubuntu system You're on wrong forum buddy.

[Trisquel-users] What do I need to do here

2013-03-14 Thread bruceperry
I have had some problems with some user breaking into my Ubuntu system through ssh. I wonder if someone would take a look at my etc/ssh files on my system and look at them and tell me if this has happened again. Also, I see this information in my log files that is below. Do I need to chan

Re: [Trisquel-users] Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-14 Thread chris
This is the LTS release. Just stick to it and your netbook will be dead before the next major release. It just won't be an issue any more.

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-14 Thread trisqit
In and of itself, it says nothing. Having a monetized interest in something is not de facto evidence of corrupt intent. Whether you're a professional actor or a professor or a lawyer or a priest, you will have colleagues who are motivated purely by greed, colleagues who are paragons of mo

Re: [Trisquel-users] Has mini less hardware support than standard?

2013-03-14 Thread mikko . viinamaki
A custom xorg.conf might solve that but that's per hardware, so not possible on a live cd. But a live USB would work. Even there it takes some manual fiddling to get the persistence working... Or a newer Linux-libre kernel.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-14 Thread ben
Well I for one use Trisquel Mini on my cheap underpowered netbook :) ! But I use the main edition on my workstation. Maybe we could keep two editions, the difference being 3D graphics support or not. Trisquel Mini would be the light, 2D edition, for machines which lack either power or 3D acce

Re: [Trisquel-users] Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-14 Thread chris
If I remember I might. I'll probably talk to Rubén at LibrePlanet next week. I believe he is going to that event again. Not sure who is paying although I think it is being covered by someone. If not there are the Trisquel funds. Its not my place to be directing the project although I don't mi

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 KDE

2013-03-14 Thread john . wilkins21
Chris - thanks

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 KDE

2013-03-14 Thread john . wilkins21
Chris - thanks

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 KDE

2013-03-14 Thread chris
I was thinking of another thread when I replied. I was hoping my 'no' answer would end it! Obviously if all your doing is installing KDE from the repository it doesn't eat up resources.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 Officially Out; yes- really this time!

2013-03-14 Thread chris
Thanks! We are moving forward with FSF certification too. Going to be handing over a few of the cards to John or Josh @ the North East GNU/Linux Fest. If you want one of our new USB N adapters send me an address I can send you one as well (unless your going to the above or LibrePlanet at wh

Re: [Trisquel-users] Has mini less hardware support than standard?

2013-03-14 Thread chris
No. I wouldn't think so anyway. I haven't really touched the mini edition although I'm pretty confident the core pieces are the same between releases. At least anything to do with what hardware is supported. The pieces that are left out or replaced with other more efficient components tend to

Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-14 Thread tegskywalker
So if Linus Torvalds is the leader of the Linux kernel and the Foundation is his primary income now so he can continue with the development, what does your comment say about him and his intentions?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-14 Thread Dave Hunt
+1! Better to release something that works as well as it can, and looks polished. First impressions, accurate or not, are lasting ones.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-14 Thread Dave Hunt
If I couldn't keep Mini as polished as Standard and I18N, I'd drop it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 KDE

2013-03-14 Thread john . wilkins21
Chris, I'm not sure I get the gist of your argument. I'm using trisquel 6 net installer (bare bones) and using synaptic to install the programs/applications, surely this doesn't 'eat into resources'?. Then of course there is the argument that this is 'free' and we can use it as we wish ?

Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I change the image loading?

2013-03-14 Thread teodorescup
I presume you are talking about the plymouth theme background. The simplest way to change the background of the plymouth theme is to replace the /lib/plymouth/themes/trisquel-logo/background.png with you're preferred ; you'll need to be root to do that; and to take effect you'll need to run

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to play radioweb and others sites?

2013-03-14 Thread icarolongo
Probably only with non-free software, is better choose another website for listen your music, like Jamendo or another with Icecast support. (VLC have many radios, I listen everyday).

Re: [Trisquel-users] Program for drawing tree graphs

2013-03-14 Thread icarolongo
The GNU/Linux timeline is made with gnuclad[1][2][3]. [1] http://futurist.se/gldt/ [2] http://futurist.se/gldt/category/gnuclad/ [3] https://launchpad.net/gnuclad

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 Officially Out; yes- really this time!

2013-03-14 Thread magicbanana
Just to be clear: the whole Trisquel project (including every image and every package in its repository) is "FSF approved". The FSF image, i.e. the image distributed by the FSF during the events it organizes, basically is the i18n image + a few applications, in particular for artistic creatio

[Trisquel-users] How can I change the image loading?

2013-03-14 Thread pascal
On booting Trisquel, we have all the image of Trisquel (a Triskel on stars, trees). But how can I change it? Thanks.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Screen resolution problems

2013-03-14 Thread mikko . viinamaki
That is proprietary software, don't go there. I think you might need a custom xorg.conf (man xorg.conf). Or you could try a newer Linux-libre kernel from http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/#downloads

[Trisquel-users] Has mini less hardware support than standard?

2013-03-14 Thread onsemeliot
Yesterday I tried to run the Trisquel 6 mimi live cd on my notebook. Unfortunately because of not recognized hardware the desktop environment didn't even start. (Trisquel 5.5 standard did run smoothly on this notebook.) Later on I tried the mini distro on an other notebook im my office. Even