Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread nux
It seems to me that privacy is sacred to those who remember pre-internet days, curious to those who remember pre-facebook days and meaningless to those who have known nothing but both. In 1984 Orwell predicted screens that you couldn't turn off. We have been given screens we don't want to t

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread nowaman
I don't really see the idea of forcing people to Free(libre) Software. Just stand at your cause and in your community. if you're asked about FS, tell them why it matters to you. They either take it or ignore it, but you can't change them unless they want to. and when it comes to privacy, I

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread Andrew R.
On 26/10/13 06:53, gramex wrote: > I told a friend of mine who uses gmail about PRISM, Edward Snowden, > and the Lavabit shutdown, but he didn't really care; he said he > wouldn't even care if the whole world read his emails. "Everyone has something to hide" http://www.privacy.org.au/Resources/P

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to recognize non-free javascript

2013-10-25 Thread Andrew R.
On 26/10/13 03:41, em9002 wrote: > You just don't get it, do you? We're pro-GPL here. We like it > because it guarantees freedom for users. That's really all there is > to it. Permissive licenses do guarantee freedom for users. But what they don't do is prevent the creators of derivative work

Re: [Trisquel-users] OLinuXino - free alternative to raspberry pi?

2013-10-25 Thread Alexander Stephen Thomas Ross
On 26/10/13 01:32, gra...@openmailbox.org wrote: > AMD made a single-board computer called the Gizmo Board, which is x86 > based. I'd assume that it has an AMD video card, which generally require > nonfree drivers for 3D acceleration to work. > > I hope Linus and other copyright holders of the Lin

Re: [Trisquel-users] [Support] Stuck in a Login Loop

2013-10-25 Thread in . r4inbows
Good news! I successfully installed a working Trisquel 6.0 system. I tried my sixth install through the text mode rather than the graphical installer and I've not encountered the login loop yet. I still have no idea what caused the issue, but could someone tell if my post was informative enou

Re: [Trisquel-users] Strange settings-daemon power behavior

2013-10-25 Thread kkpengboy
When I start on AC, /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode remains 0 when I unplug the cable. But upower --monitor notices that the battery changed and the icon in the Panel changes too.

Re: [Trisquel-users] OLinuXino - free alternative to raspberry pi?

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
AMD made a single-board computer called the Gizmo Board, which is x86 based. I'd assume that it has an AMD video card, which generally require nonfree drivers for 3D acceleration to work. I hope Linus and other copyright holders of the Linux kernel will take legal action against manufacture

Re: [Trisquel-users] OLinuXino - free alternative to raspberry pi?

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
Trisquel won't run on the BeagleBoard; the BeagleBoard is ARM based, and Trisquel hasn't been ported to ARM.

Re: [Trisquel-users] OLinuXino - free alternative to raspberry pi?

2013-10-25 Thread stask
Check the linuxgizmos news site for leads. Many boards there.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel tablet

2013-10-25 Thread stask
Most tablets use ARM processors which are heavily Android based. There are some Ubuntu and Debian versions for ARM that some tablets use. Check ebay and go from there with the product names you find for further research. Aliexpress also.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread onpon4
Just tell people that they deserve the freedom to control their computer. There's no need to push free software down their throats; just tell them why proprietary software is unethical and leave it at that. If you do want to tell someone why they should care about privacy, point them to Nin

Re: [Trisquel-users] OLinuXino - free alternative to raspberry pi?

2013-10-25 Thread Andresmp
thanks for this info, I am looking to make my usb printer wireless and I thought single board was the way to go with https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter. if I understand fsf page correctly a beagleboard with trisquel will not have the gpu working, which I

[Trisquel-users] [OT] Why Our Privacy Problem is a Democracy Problem in Disguise

2013-10-25 Thread stask
"Habits, activities, and preferences are compiled, registered, and retrieved to facilitate better adjustment, not to improve the individual’s capacity to act and to decide. Whatever the original incentive for computerization may have been, processing increasingly appears as the ideal means to

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to transfer GPG key to another computer

2013-10-25 Thread Andresmp
thank you for this! i guess the same applies for putting it on your phone using k-9?

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread ahj
>Consider this: http://www.jxself.org/free-firmware.shtml This is an excellent article - it perfectly sums up the importance of liberated firmware. Cheers!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Substitute fonts

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
I just noticed that that license doesn't explicitly grant permission to modify the fonts. I don't think this was done on purpose; this is a custom-written license by a (presumably) non-lawyer. Maybe you could convince the author to use the OFL.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Substitute fonts

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
That link is broken. Attached is the license, available here[0]. [0] http://xrl.us/PFFL

Re: [Trisquel-users] Substitute fonts

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
I just fixed it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there any interest in privacy & free software friendly services?

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
Couldn't Thinkpenguin get in trouble for destroying evidence? The US government is legally unable to access one's documents without probable cause, or a warrant. The federal government has gotten so out of hand that they have and will try to get the data without either of those. The Fourth

Re: [Trisquel-users] Substitute fonts

2013-10-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Your Aroania link on that wiki page is broken.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
I told a friend of mine who uses gmail about PRISM, Edward Snowden, and the Lavabit shutdown, but he didn't really care; he said he wouldn't even care if the whole world read his emails. I know that privacy is important, but I am not sure how to put it into words. In a similar note, I know

Re: [Trisquel-users] usb-creator-gtk won't work with i18n iso and reserved space won't work

2013-10-25 Thread hellocomputer8
It works! Just not with FUSBi, but with Unetbootin.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread onpon4
Well, there *is* a practical reason, though it might seem paranoid to some people: Proprietary software often contains malicious features, such as spyware which records your activities in secret, backdoors which can change your system at any time, and Digital Restrictions Management, which

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there any interest in privacy & free software friendly services?

2013-10-25 Thread arielxgbarton
The issue about governments requesting data about the user; there is a very easy solution: Have 500 or whatever cheap usb sticks, one for each user, then if you get a request for the data, the user can choose if you destroy the usb stick. Then, even if they go into the building where the serv

Re: [Trisquel-users] Substitute fonts

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
Armworm, could you add some of these fonts to this[0] wiki page? [0] https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/list-free-fonts

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel tablet

2013-10-25 Thread arielxgbarton
I am specificially looking for a tablet that runs GNU/Linux, or even better, dual booting. There is lots of gnu/linux software that would work great on a tablet. There are various on-screen keyboard programs, and LXLauncher would also be great for tablets - a start menu would be impractical b

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to transfer GPG key to another computer

2013-10-25 Thread adfenohuvlov
Note: This post only shows how to export private keys, which in your case, is done on the old computer. Export your OpenPGP private key through Seahorse 1. Right click on your own key. 2. Click on Properties. 3. Click on the Details tab. 4. Click on the icon near Export full key. 5. Choose

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel tablet

2013-10-25 Thread Michał Masłowski
Android has no GPL userspace code and no GNU programs. Replicant is based on CM which adds e.g. busybox and bash, while it's not a GNU/Linux: there is a non-GNU libc and userspace programs are much different. You want Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 (or 2 7.0), not the Tegra-based one that is not suppo

Re: [Trisquel-users] usb-creator-gtk won't work with i18n iso and reserved space won't work

2013-10-25 Thread hellocomputer8
I'm using unetbootin because FUSBi gave error messages. I'll tell when it's finshed the results.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to transfer GPG key to another computer

2013-10-25 Thread jason
Look into GPG's import and export functions. So, on the old computer (replacing as appropriate): gpg --export -a > public.asc gpg --export-secret-keys -a > secret.asc On the new computer: gpg --import public.asc gpg --import secret.asc gpg --edit-key (and se

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel tablet

2013-10-25 Thread jason
Replicant doesn't have much (any?) GNU in it. It's more Android/Linux rather than GNU/Linux.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel tablet

2013-10-25 Thread darrenvenables
If you want a tablet that can run a free operating system, get a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and install Replicant on it. Replicant is based on Android, which is based on GNU/Linux. Is that okay?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Upload Trisquel iso to Burnbit

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
I uploaded it. http://burnbit.com/torrent/260670/trisquel_6_0_i686_iso

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
Why does freedom matter? I started this thread because I want to find a concise way to tell others why I use free software, without coming off like a nut. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
MagicFab asked us to.[0] I thought it was a good idea, but it may not be necessary. [0] http://trisquel.info/en/forum/replicant#comment-43624

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread jason
"Many people think of a program being free a plus, but don't mind using proprietary software." Why do those people tolerate proprietary softare? Perhaps they're just used to being mistreated by proprietary software developers and think they don't deserve any better? They should raise their

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread jason
Why do people keep adding messages in brackets to the subject line? [OT] or [Support] etc. It's silly. It's not really necessary to mark things as being offtopic.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to recognize non-free javascript

2013-10-25 Thread jason
You're missing my point, t3g.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread nowaman
This topic has been addressed quite a few times even here, but to remind you. The first thing is, when most people hear the word "Free", they interpret it as "gratis". How ever, we the free software movement fellows interpret and use the word to mean "Freedom respecting". It's the language. I

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Le 2013-10-25 13:36, gra...@openmailbox.org a écrit : > Many people think of a program being free a plus, but don't mind using > proprietary software. > > Why should proprietary software be avoided? John Sullivan, Executive director of the FSF recently spoke at a keynote at the Open World Forum, I

Re: [Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread em9002
Proprietary programs don't respect your freedom. Many of them prevent you from sharing copies of the program with others. Plus, without access to the source code, there's no way to verify that such programs are in fact doing what they claim to be doing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to recognize non-free javascript

2013-10-25 Thread em9002
You just don't get it, do you? We're pro-GPL here. We like it because it guarantees freedom for users. That's really all there is to it.

[Trisquel-users] [OT] Why is a program being nonfree reason enough to avoid it?

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
Many people think of a program being free a plus, but don't mind using proprietary software. Why should proprietary software be avoided?

[Trisquel-users] Trisquel tablet

2013-10-25 Thread arielxgbarton
Are there any tablets that run Trisquel or another distribution of GNU/Linux? There is the PengPod, but they are not getting enough funding to make their tablet, and the other two tablets they made are discontinued. There is also the Vivaldi tablet, which has the same issues - Not enough fun

[Trisquel-users] How to transfer GPG key to another computer

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
I would like to copy my GPG key from my desktop computer to my laptop computer. How is this done?

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to recognize non-free javascript

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
If the GNU project used permissive licenses, we wouldn't have GNUstep or a free C++ compiler.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Think Penguin capable of making a computer that RMS can use?

2013-10-25 Thread arielxgbarton
You are right, 9 inch screen is tiny. I don't see why the companies can't make free drivers - They should make their money from selling the hardware. The only loss of money is money paid to them by NSA or whatever bad.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Think Penguin capable of making a computer that RMS can use?

2013-10-25 Thread arielxgbarton
In that case, can't ThinkPenguin make a laptop with the exact same hardware, then coreboot will work, and it will be fully free.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Removing Trisquel in windows problem

2013-10-25 Thread arielxgbarton
ADFENO, can I see the user guide, I would be very happy to contribute, write a small section.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to recognize non-free javascript

2013-10-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Stop with the anti-GPL FUD already. And as jxself said, you're missing his point.

Re: [Trisquel-users] healthcare.gov violates the GPL

2013-10-25 Thread arielxgbarton
Hopefully they sue! Tell the people at GPL-violations.org maybe?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
>If I cannot get it and 3G to work on Replicant I will try Cyanogenmod. I have a creepy feeling about Cyanogenmod http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4231387&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=44887151 http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/11/14/2128211/cyanogenmod-domain-hijacked

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to recognize non-free javascript

2013-10-25 Thread tegskywalker
I also meant to say that the official releases of a library like jQuery (which get served from the Google and code.jquery.com) servers are free software and THOSE don't need to be blocked. The official releases of jQuery ARE free software and the team makes it easy to access the source code

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to recognize non-free javascript

2013-10-25 Thread tegskywalker
There is a lot of software (some would say the strongest) that benefit from a persmissive license and do not have a lot of forks (free or not) that cause the original to be obsolete. Where are all these jQuery forks? Apache? nginx? How about programming languages like Python, Ruby, and Scala?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Add-on Screengrab licence

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
I sent him an email. If more people do this, it may be fixed sooner. Here is the email I sent him: >Thank you for carrying on the development of Screengrab. >I noticed that there is no license included on the project page, or in the source code of Screengrab (fix version). >The original Screen

Re: [Trisquel-users] Does Trisquel's associate members list finally got to three digits ?

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
I'd suppose that other people have canceled their memberships, too.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1
I guess the S2 and Note were better choices then. I mostly wanted a Replicant phone so I could use redphone and some other programs for encrypted comms. I'm willing to compromise on the non-free WiFi for now. I'm not happy about that, don't get me wrong. I'm also not happy with non-free bios

Re: [Trisquel-users] healthcare.gov violates the GPL

2013-10-25 Thread gramex
So the "Affordable Care Act" violates the Constitution,[0] and copyright. [0] The US Constitution doesn't authorize the Federal Government to control health care, therefore, the act is unconstitutional.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread Michał Masłowski
Nexus One isn't supported by the current version of Replicant and it needs firmware for wifi, audio and microphone unlike most other supported phones. Some phones have a USB host, while it doesn't provide enough power for the ThinkPenguin FSF-certified wifi card to work without external power. p

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1
Hi shokin... Yes, it seems that they all require some non-free firmware. Hopefully someone will reverse engineer the bcm4330 at least. If it were a laptop I would have no problem buying a free USB WiFi stick. As it is a phone, I don't think the WiFi card can be replaced...but I don't know.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1
Hi prvteprts, Can you explain to me how you reverted to the stock ROM with heimdall-frontend? Where did you download the Stock ROM from? Did it include a .pit file and is that needed? I guess I should have gone for the Nexus One. Pity.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1
Thanks for the response! (sorry, I don't know how to quote text, so I will answer one by one here without your quoted text). I e-mailed the developers yesterday and I'm waiting for a response. I tried copying the CM firmware into my Replicant but couldn't get the WiFi to work. The files un

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread prvteprts
I found out the same things when I installed Replicant on my Galaxy Note just recently. The stock ROM can be re-flashed using heimdall-frontend. I am planning to purchase a used Nexus One and install Replicant on it as it seems the WiFi chip is supported.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread ashok . biollay
Hello, fbit, Thank you for your answer. 3G and WiFi are not necessary for me on a mobile phone. But, anyway, are there WiFi card for Samsung phones that are compatible with free firmwares ? It seems that all phones listed require non-free firmware. Is there a key/way to do with free firmwa

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread Michał Masłowski
> 1) I cannot get 3G to work on either phone. It is officially supported, have you reported it to the developers? > Without 3G and WiFi the phones are not much good for me. I also have > been unable to get WiFi to work through the USB connection with the > computer. The USB networking scripts on

Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread mve1
Hi shokin, Replicant is compatible with a few different phone models: http://replicant.us/supported-phones/ It is very easy to install. I recently installed it on a Galaxy S2 and a Note. 2 initial comments: 1) I cannot get 3G to work on either phone. 2) The WiFi card on these phones (bcm4330

[Trisquel-users] Replicant ?

2013-10-25 Thread ashok . biollay
Hello everybody, This topic is not directly linked with Trisquel. But it is about freedom with mobile phones. Do you know http://replicant.us/ ? Have you ever tried ? You know... I want to use free softwares, free OS on computers. But why should I stay with proprietary softwares on mobile

Re: [Trisquel-users] Removing Trisquel in windows problem

2013-10-25 Thread adfenohuvlov
I understand clearly how difficult it can be for a user to start using GNU+Linux Trisquel or similar distributions accepted by the FSF. We are actually doing our best to support such users, we are even working on a user guide. The issue here arose not because of the way you do things, nor b

Re: [Trisquel-users] Firestorm Viewer , Opensimulator and Second Life

2013-10-25 Thread dadix
Thank you for informations. Maybe someone will make a free version of this and will put it in the trisquel repo.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [Support] Stuck in a Login Loop

2013-10-25 Thread in . r4inbows
Thank you for the advice. I followed your instructions excepting the last one because I don't know how to do it just yet (I'm learning), but I still have the issue. 1. Resolved somewhat. I now get the same error as the first thread about this issue. 2. Remains 3. Like you predicted the x