Re: [Trisquel-users] Testing The Trisquel 8 Upgrade Process

2018-01-04 Thread leestrobel
I had problems with that package when I upgraded from Trisquel 7 to 8 as well.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread calmstorm
Try here... https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gpl.html Ah... typo is why it was changed... 2 f's instead of 2 r's

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-04 Thread calmstorm
Yep, this is scary stuff. I hope that the crazies in our world lose power. Trump is just a symptom of the issue sadly... He isn't the moron who started all this crap. That began with Nixon. At least in my country anyways... I agree with Stallman. what he says here is absolutely true.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread calmstorm
Gmail is easy to switch from, android... hmm not sure. I use disroot.org Donate if you feel like it, It is free and relies heavily on donations. Also, it is free as in freedom. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-04 Thread calmstorm
I will say, you did catch some good mistake, although, ReactOS in my opinion is still far better than using windows. But yeah your right about it promoting the use of proprietary software. That and debian doesn't use linux-libre.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-04 Thread onpon4
I think the FSF can maintain that list just fine as-is. They would never use this modification. Just a few problems: You're using the word "edition" wrongly. Debian doesn't use Linux-libre. There is no such thing as "Linux-nonfree". "An" is only used when the following word begins with a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread jason
"What's stopping me from licensing everything under AGPL?" Absolutely nothing. In fact I'd love to see more things licensed in that way. There is some stuff at http://gplv3.fsf.org/ especially if you go to the Comments tab which lets you review various Discussion Drafts and see what parts

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-04 Thread contact
Pretty much this is the case, alternatives to the juggernauts who are actively against software freedom and all about cosolidating control and power, must be built. AMD and Intel can easily make free (as in freedom) friendly hardware (or not exploit labor or build fabrication plants on

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-04 Thread eloi . igor
From my personal experiences: First introduce them to free software that actually runs in Windows (VLC, gimp, Libreoffice etc). Once they are used to daily using this tools (this may take some time), show them that by running gnu/linux they will use the same programs, only without viruses,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-04 Thread hd-scania
To distinct this from Parabola, then Parabola is rolling but Hyperbola is LTS. The freedom and pacman cores are mutual.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
When I think about it, I think I saw that package in regular Trisquel 8 (MATE environment?), but now I get to try the Kubuntu though.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 04/01/18 14:33, wrote: > To protect users, the FSF released the AGPL, whose only difference > with the GPL is the following (quoting from > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-aferro-gpl.html): 404 - Page Not Found -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es 0xC6AB2D51.asc Description:

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
It sounds like you're using Synaptic. Try using apt install instead and see if you get an error. When something isn't working and you aren't sure why, you'll usually be able to get more information from a terminal than a GUI.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread onpon4
http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/gplv3-draft-2.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
I'm installing the "ubuntu-full" package now, and it has come to this point where it says "The marked changes are now being applied. This may can some time. Please wait. It has been in that state for quite some time now, and I'm beginning to feel like maybe there's an error of some kind.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
I see, that's interesting :) I guess I will just have to try different environments to learn more

Re: [Trisquel-users] Testing The Trisquel 8 Upgrade Process

2018-01-04 Thread eloi . igor
I did everything listed and got only one problem. Since the upgrade to Trisquel 8 I could not install any package or execute update. Terminal kept responding with: Erros foram encontrados durante o processamento de: plymouth-theme-trisquel-logo E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error

[Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-04 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
I am concerned that people in my entourage use Windows. They complain about viruses, about the computer being slow, about annoying pop-ups, unwanted programs and sometimes the inability to change the home page of their browser due to some malware. At the same time I see that since using

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
Thanks! :) I'll check it out

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
It's understandable to be confused by this. If you're new to GNU/Linux the idea of getting to choose your desktop environment is a foreign concept. Since you're using a Macbook, I assume that you used macOS before switching to Trisquel. Apple obfuscates the distinction between their operating

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-04 Thread leestrobel
I think the best thing that can come out of this mess is an increased drive to develop viable alternatives to Intel/x86.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
Yes, that sounds right. Kubuntu is a flavor of Ubuntu that uses KDE as its default desktop environment, so the package name is probably leftover from upstream. It's the same thing as KDE-full.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
Hi, I read the comments again, after a reply from mason, and I would like to say sorry for my behaviour. Anyway, I didn't find the kde-full (perhaps it is because I use Trisquel 8), but I find kubuntu-full which mason talks about. Is that the same? :) Again: sorry, and thank you for being

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
From what in this quote do you infer that KDE is an operating system? I have no idea. Sorry about that. But allright. I do not find kde-full which ao talks about (maybe it's because I'm using Trisquel 8), but I do find kubuntu-full, do you believe that's the same thing as ao talks about?:)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
Can you provide some links?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 XFCE Edition Released

2018-01-04 Thread greatgnu
Scarce information too, bad page.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-04 Thread robert . kirkpatrick
There are two distinct, albeit related, CPU vulnerabilities making recent news. One of them, "Meltdown," is Intel-specific. The other, "Spectre," is present in all recent Intel, AMD, and ARM CPUs (and potentially, any CPU that uses branch prediction and speculative execution). Meltdown

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-04 Thread contact
Well that's a problem that needs to be adressed. There are bigger demands now and these manufacturers need to think about graphics, not just CPU's.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Uruk 2.0 XFCE Edition Released

2018-01-04 Thread lcerf
Why goo.gl URLs? Google does not need to know we are visiting the page.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread greatgnu
>Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever? I think that would Adobe but I also think I am probably wrong. Microshit? that is Microscam?

Re: [Trisquel-users] OggConvert Queue

2018-01-04 Thread greatgnu
Always welcome, m8!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Default web browser, Abrowser, in Trisquel 8 has Amazon, Twitter and Google as suggested search engines. Issue?

2018-01-04 Thread greatgnu
> How is using startpage better? They also get their results from google. I am amazed you ask this, you should know better. Not supporting and rejecting the mafia is always and in any case better, mate quanty.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
> " KDE (/ˌkeɪdiːˈiː/) is an international free software community[1] that > develops Free and Open Source based software. " >From what in this quote do you infer that KDE is an operating system? KDE is a >free software community that does not create an operating system but *does* >create a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
Your desktop environment is just an interface for your operating system. You can install a different desktop environment without affecting anything in the underlying operating system. You can even have multiple desktop environments installed at once. When you log in you choose which desktop

Re: [Trisquel-users] "Permission denied' when writing "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf" in terminal.

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
Ah, I see. So that's $ sudo pluma /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf for me :) Thanks!

Re: [Trisquel-users] "Permission denied' when writing "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf" in terminal.

2018-01-04 Thread aaric
That's not a command. Use sudo emacs /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf. emacs is a text editor, you can replace it your favorite editor. I am not sure which you one you have installed.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread onpon4
Some people simply thought the AGPL's extra term went too far for a copyleft license. Philosophical, not technical. You can use AGPL for everything just fine.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread andre
+1 :-)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
Huh. Well thanks anyway for being kind and giving tips :) preciate it, I promise I won't sue you!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
Yes. In fact, you can port your old phone number to JMP, install a SIP and an XMPP client on a smartphone with Replicant and a data-only plan, and have a device that works exactly like a phone when you need one. I have such a device that I leave at home as much as possible, but will bring with

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread andre
Yes, because I don't know where you come from, and in the USA people are shoving each others to courtrooms demanding excessive amounts of money, because somebody else is usually to blame when things go wrong, and theoretically you can be an American. So I don't give advice on a

[Trisquel-users] "Permission denied' when writing "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf" in terminal.

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
I also tried writing: $ sudo /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and got "command not found"

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread i_write_words
Yes, depending on your lifestyle and personally indentifiable info that is none of my business and doesn't belong on the internet. You might be able to use some form of Guerilla mail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_Mail to sign up for forums but I certainly wouldn't want you to lose

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread i_write_words
https://search.gibberfish.org/about hth too.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
I cannot find that feedback you refer to. What were the reasons proposed to not include the network clause? I find it to be a failure to protect users. Is there any reason not to license software whose primary purpose is not to run in a server? What's stopping me from licensing everything

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
I finally switched from Gmail just a few days ago. I'm using my own domain, but here are some providers you might consider. https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems Lavabit is also an option if you're okay with using a mail client. Some of these services might charge a few dollars a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
I initially misread this as "pray *for* my personal concept of a higher power *to* get drunk or laid or something", which would have been one of my favorite sentences ever.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
I am reliant on gmail and YouTube anti services. Also Android. Is it possible to live without email?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread Mason Hock
> I don't know what to do about my reliance on Google's user-subjugating > software Once an abuser like Google has control over parts of your life it can be very difficult to free yourself. What Google antiservices do you feel dependent on? We may be able to suggest replacements and/or

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread i_write_words
Yea, I'm certainly no saint either. Time to close the laptop and write in a paper notebook or shake my fist at the sky or pray to my personal concept of a higher power or get drunk or laid or something. Thanks bunches.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
I see! :) perhaps I'll check it out. May I ask if there's a specific reason to why you sometimes sign your replies with: "I'm not a lawyer: everything you do is your own responsibility" ?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread i_write_words
In that case, you are in exactly the right place doing exactly the right thing and asking exactly the right questions. I defer to Senor Calmstorm's superior communication skills because of longstanding personal experience. I'm not a troll either. Please stay respectful. Remember that these

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
Oh yeah, that manual! Yes, I did take a fast look at it, but I'll take some more look at it, and thank you for all the tips with the "man" command, that'll be handy! :) cheers

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
Not trolling, just saying. I don't know what to do about my reliance on Google's user-subjugating software

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-04 Thread calmstorm
Hyperbola is one I can add. They are seeking the certification from fsf.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread calmstorm
He does have a point and so do you. I will elaborate: Google isn't worth celebrating which you are right, but yes, Google is a billionaire company which seems to be doing well for itself financially. Although they are indeed a grave threat to free software. Whether they are half open

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread i_write_words
No. That would be like saying, "Is Charles Manson the biggest, most successful serial killer ever?" or "Was Hitler the biggest, most successful Nazi ever?" or "Was the black plague the biggest, most successful disease ever?" Language doesn't work that way. I would personally rephrase this

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread jason
If you pay attention to the history of the drafting of GPL version 3 it was originally going to be (check out Discussion Draft #2 of GPL version 3) But in response to feedback, in Discussion Draft #3 the FSF made a compromise and made it a separate license but with compatibility terms in

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread fbits
The idea is for you to learn how to solve problems yourself. As you will never be able to acquire all the knowledge to fix every problem, you need to develop the skills to research, read, including reading software manuals (most programs have a manual, which you can access typing: man ,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 XFCE Edition Released

2018-01-04 Thread s1lv3r1997
I tried GNU/Uruk yesterday, very good distro, keep up the good work ali! Can't wait to see Uruk in fsf list of approved GNU/Linux distributions

[Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-04 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
This title is based on the premise that web services are proprietary, user-subjugating when they are not Aferro GPL licensed. BTW, Google forbids software licensed under AGPL.

[Trisquel-users] Should Aferro GPL replace plain GPL?

2018-01-04 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
Here is my line of thought. Some time ago the FSF discovered that software users could loose their freedom when doing their computing in others people's computers. To protect users, the FSF released the AGPL, whose only difference with the GPL is the following (quoting from

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread andre
Maybe you use Synaptic package manager? There you can see that the package kde-full has a list of dependency software. This will automatically be installed for you if you agree. Then you get the whole KDE desktop environment (which is not the same as operating system). No other software

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
No need to get snappy amigo, I was simply quoting the first line of your link. But anyway, cool, I was not aware of the fact that it is possible to change desktop environment. So if I go in the repository, download and install this KDE. My whole desktop will change? Will I still have all

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread andre
KDE is Free Software: it's in the Trisquel repository. KDE is not an operating system, like Trisquel is. KDE is a desktop environment, like GNOME or XFCE. Where's the list of FSF's recommended desktop environments?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
" KDE (/ˌkeɪdiːˈiː/) is an international free software community[1] that develops Free and Open Source based software. " Seems like it's a bit more than a desktop environment according to your link :p But okay, it's a completely different operating system, that is also libre like

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-04 Thread vitacell
You are right. But when I say PowerPC I mean everything with PowerPC, not only TalosII. Computers like Powermac with 2 CPUs (I have one)(yes I know is crApple). Also project like: https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/ The problem is, obviously GPU, PowerPC won't have Intel integrated GPU,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread andre
KDE is a desktop environment - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE I just installed kde-full and accepted all software that came with it. I'm not a lawyer, everything you do is your own responsibility.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
That is indeed some great tips, thank you sir, and pardon for posting many questions that may be very basic. May I ask what manual you linked last time?:)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
"Since the init"?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
KDE? Is that a package? I searched the repository, but I got several matches with "KDE", but none that was simply called "KDE", they all had something added to the name.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Temperatures inside pc high?

2018-01-04 Thread svenerik_vn
Okay. That. Is. AWESOME! This is pure gold. Now I just wish my computer would operate normal so I don't have to run full speed at all times :p But this is gold, really. Thank you very much, and also Time4Tea and everyone else in here. This is so cool.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread andre
In KDE there's indicator-cpufreq which can run in the system area. It gives me seven options to do what you describe.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any packages for "clocking"?

2018-01-04 Thread leestrobel
It might be worth the OP checking the config settings for the Trisquel kernel, to see if the voltage/frequency scaling features are enabled. If not, that might be part of the reason that the machine is running hotter under Triqsuel. Although, I would think those things should be enabled, if

Re: [Trisquel-users] Temperatures inside pc high?

2018-01-04 Thread leestrobel
Any changes to those files are not going to persist when you reboot the machine. The /sys directory is populated/refreshed by the kernel during boot, to provide info about the underlying hardware to userspace processes. I was going to suggest adding some commands to one of the init scripts,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Temperatures inside pc high?

2018-01-04 Thread leestrobel
I don't think there should be too much concern about 'frying' the PC. There should be a thermal cut-out that will immediately shut the power off if the machine gets too hot. When I bought my Macbook 2,1 off of Ebay, the fan wasn't working at all and, after 20 mins or so of use, the temps

[Trisquel-users] Trisquel does not recognize Kinesis keyboard.

2018-01-04 Thread andre
Dear Trisquel users, Kinesis Freestyle 2 keyboard should plug and play, but is not being recognized by Trisquel 7. Do you have any helpful idea? Thank you.

[Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-04 Thread hd-scania
https://wiki.parabola.nu/User:Hd_scania#My_editions_in_2018_for_.E2.80.98common_distros.E2.80.99 Any points to clarify more or ready as a candidate to refresh as our ‘common distros’ this year?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-04 Thread ivan . baldinotti
Time for risc?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-04 Thread ivan . baldinotti
Here better information: https://security.googleblog.com/2018/01/todays-cpu-vulnerability-what-you-need.html Also arm cpus are affected and amd as well.