Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-10-18 Thread calmstorm
I laughed when I saw these last three posts a while ago... you are absolutely right, but alas, it is too amusing to let go die yet...

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-10-12 Thread onpon4
Why are you beating this dead horse, and why are you name-dropping me? This is old news, we all know that Leah's allegations have no merit, and nothing new has happened related to it. I lost interest in it forever ago.

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-10-12 Thread jbh . tech
"I don't think it fair to say that Leah is innocent. Even if she happens to be right about the reason, the way she deals with the situation and the way she communicates with people (her emails for example), that's not acceptable social behavior." @Mampir What about the way some of the

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-10-11 Thread stas . mihaylenko
Offtopic (crashing servers): If we crack Microsoft/NSA, we can destroy almost all non-free software on PCs. Then we can crash the Microsoft server and Windows will be almost destroyed. Maybe, the same with Google and Android.

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-10-11 Thread infinityfallen
In regards to your first paragraph, nobody's servers should be crashed. We have no real evidence to either support or refute Leah's claims, firstly. There are good reasons to suspect one way or the other, but the victim hasn't come forward and all we have from the accused parties are a few

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-10-11 Thread greatgnu
How about you invest your energy in learning or doing something that may be of any real interest or pleasure?

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-10-11 Thread stas . mihaylenko
Do we need to permanently crash and delete all files fprm Trisquel and FSF server? Or we can do this with Libreboot. The Trisquel 8.0 is never be released and Trisquel project will be broken?

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-20 Thread calmstorm
Oh no doubt, I wish it wasn't true but sadly it must be. Hopefully someone or something will cause her to change otherwise libreboot may get forked in the future...

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-20 Thread strypey
"I don't see what's wrong with asking if a baby is a boy or a girl." It's not "wrong", but when people ask that question they tend to assume that there is an either/ or answer (sometimes the true answer is "no"), and that the answer says something important about who that baby will grow up

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-19 Thread martin
I don't think it fair to say that Leah is innocent. Even if she happens to be right about the reason, the way she deals with the situation and the way she communicates with people (her emails for example), that's not acceptable social behavior.

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-19 Thread dguthrie
I don't see what's wrong with asking if a baby is a boy or a girl. However, toys should not be gendered. Lego for example is sometimes seen as a boys toy but it has always been advertised for both boys and girls (although they have had various "girly" ranges in recent years). Gendering toys

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-19 Thread onpon4
You're probably thinking of some term ("cis-normative", I think?) that some people use to complain that not being transgender or "queer" is seen as or implied to be the normal thing. Things like asking if a baby is a boy or a girl, or assuming that someone that looks like a boy likes boy

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread strypey
As far as we know, the person LR is claiming to advocate for does not want to be publicly named or drawn into this controversy. Could you please remove your doxxing comment mYself? If not, could the mods please do it?

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread strypey
Thanks for the spelling correction and the clarification on the use of cisgender. I think I have heard queer rights activists say "cis-normal" in informal speech, but you're probably right, in that this would defeat the point of "cisgender". Good to see people are paying close attention to

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread jason
"I thought it was just "cis."" It's cisgender, or cis for short: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender Calling it "cis normal" implies that being cisgendered is normal and that (by extension) transgendered is not, so I don't think that's the right term to use.

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread jadedml
Do people really say "cys-normal?" I thought it was just "cis."

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread myself600
> […] harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe No, it was apparently her friend, Lisa Marie Maginnis, as pointed out at https://libreboot.org/contrib/.

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread abjectio
Worth reading : http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread jason
"Ruben was named by LR as someone engaging in discrimination" Nope. Once again it's important to keep things in the context of what is being claimed. On https://libreboot.org/gnu/ Leah doesn't say exactly what each of the named people are claimed to have actually done, and just lumps

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread legimet . calc
Don't feed the troll.

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread strypey
I think it's also worth pointing out that although Ruben was named by LR as someone engaging in discrimination against a trans FSF employee, he was her co-worker at the FSF, not her employer, which was the FSF itself.

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-18 Thread strypey
Woah there mangeur de nuage, you have missed the point. Let me explain clearly: 1) a transgender person is a person who, for whatever reason, feels they are a different gender from the one that goes with their biological sex. A person whose gender identity and biological sex are the same

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-17 Thread bernardlprf
I can't after someone replies (made a screenshot), only a mod can (I think) (if mods wants to waist time go fore it I don't mind) LW is a man who consider itself has a woman, this concept is new to me and honestly, I don't care about it. I only care about work and free software, libreboot

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-17 Thread bernardlprf
t3g calm down please :) You reaction is I think exaggerated. When you read what LW has wrote it's completely wrong from the beginning. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036.html You don't act like a child when this sort of thing happens you don't go all berserk and say

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-17 Thread dguthrie
> He hasn't given any proof of anything. Leah is a woman. This is well known. Correct this please.

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-17 Thread jason
And notice that the target was quietly changed. Originally libreboot.org/gnu claimed "a transgender employee at the FSF was being harassed" but here in this thread t3g has quietly turned that into Leah Rowe. Some facts: 1. Leah is not and has never been employed by the FSF. Their list of

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-17 Thread abjectio
Ehhh t3g : Don't you believe these statements? http://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00052.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-17 Thread gromobir
What are trying to achieve with this new thread? Pouring more oil into the fire? Shouldn't we first wait for the facts? The list of facts we have at hand so far is: - Libreboot left the GNU project - There are many wild accusations from many parties out there Anything else is just pure

[Trisquel-users] If Rubén harassed Libreboot's Leah Rowe, he should be fired and Trisquel shut down

2016-09-17 Thread tegskywalker
If Rubén is breaking any workplaces discriminatory laws, he should be gone and all funding should be pulled from Trisquel. In return, to send a message, the Trisquel project should be shut down as well. This could be a good thing as it will encourage another free software alternative to