First of all, we don't talk about neither freedom nor privacy here. The
question we're discussing at the moment is:
Should we refuse to coorperate with somebody who keeps knowledge for herself?
Next, i want to stress that we'll never be sure what software actually runs
on mozilla's servers. S
It can't? A bit of a forum flame war waiting to happen then (surely a forum
somewhere will have a WebRTC v. SIP "discussion", right?)
I think this whole discussion was about an ethical obligation, not a legal
one (which obviously there isn't)
"Maybe I'm misunderstanding something."
Yes, ethics and legality are different issues too. Ethically, they should. In
doing so they can make a contribution to society. Legally they don't have to.
What's right and what's legal aren't always the same thing. (It really is too
bad that the Affe
"I've at no point said it's an obligation"
In your previous post, you said, "There's a strong ethical obligation to
share, especially for something that would be generally useful."
I've at no point said it's an obligation, only that it should be presented
with a stronger argument that "it would be preferable if they did" or "in an
ideal world, they would." Those are not strong enough. Sharing is good, and
sharing the software that they make would be a contribution to so
No- it uses WebRTC. I just tried it out today. It runs like magic. I used two
laptops (Each with the latest Abrowser and Trisquel 7), and Hello worked
perfectly.
I'm inclined to agree with Quantum. It is not an obligation for the server
host to release the code they use, as long as it's possible to develop your
own server by filling in the holes and reading the client's source code. If
for some reason this is impossible, then there is a problem. But,
That's right, and I still disagree with you; I already pointed out the
implications of your logic.
Do you want to require *any* webserver to free their code from now on?
You can't tell other people what software they run on their computers, and
you can't force them to share the code.
You _can_
"the license of the software running on their servers is a minor concern. It
would be nice if they released the code, but it's not a necessity."
There's a strong ethical obligation to share, especially for something that
would be generally useful. Please don't try to present it as "it would b
Can it communicate with the likes of SIP accounts?
Since
1. you can use the service without any non-free software installed on your
computer
2. it's not SaaSS
3. the conversations are obviously end-to-end encrypted
the license of the software running on their servers is a minor concern.
It would be nice if they released the code, but it's not a
I'm neither a lawyer, nor is English my first language, but I couldn't find
anything specifying the license. The good thing I was able to find is that
conversations are said to be encrypted end-to-end. It's something that was my
first question regarding HELLO. Also, privacy policy seems to be
I've read quickly and found no great explicit worries. But we still need to
take a more close attention, as I am not expert on legal reading so may be a
small line compromising the project. And also because Hello relies on OpenTok
by TokBox to work.
Well, it comes with Abrowser. If it's not Free Software, Abrowser isn't,
either.
"By using this product you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Notice."
Would definitely need some looking into as regards whether or not it's free
software.
So, has anyone used the new "Hello" video/voice chat in Firefox (and by
extension, Abrowser?)
You can find more information here:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/create-and-manage-your-contacts-list-firefox-hello
Don't download the software on that website, however. Just update/install
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