[Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-20 Thread jpl
So, has anyone used the new "Hello" video/voice chat in Firefox (and by extension, Abrowser?) You can find more information here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/create-and-manage-your-contacts-list-firefox-hello Don't download the software on that website, however. Just update/install

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread tesseract
"By using this product you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Notice." Would definitely need some looking into as regards whether or not it's free software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread jpl
Well, it comes with Abrowser. If it's not Free Software, Abrowser isn't, either.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread kepeken
I've read quickly and found no great explicit worries. But we still need to take a more close attention, as I am not expert on legal reading so may be a small line compromising the project. And also because Hello relies on OpenTok by TokBox to work.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread rainteller
I'm neither a lawyer, nor is English my first language, but I couldn't find anything specifying the license. The good thing I was able to find is that conversations are said to be encrypted end-to-end. It's something that was my first question regarding HELLO. Also, privacy policy seems to be

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
Since 1. you can use the service without any non-free software installed on your computer 2. it's not SaaSS 3. the conversations are obviously end-to-end encrypted the license of the software running on their servers is a minor concern. It would be nice if they released the code, but it's not a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread davesamcdxv
Can it communicate with the likes of SIP accounts?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread jason
"the license of the software running on their servers is a minor concern. It would be nice if they released the code, but it's not a necessity." There's a strong ethical obligation to share, especially for something that would be generally useful. Please don't try to present it as "it would b

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
That's right, and I still disagree with you; I already pointed out the implications of your logic. Do you want to require *any* webserver to free their code from now on? You can't tell other people what software they run on their computers, and you can't force them to share the code. You _can_

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread jpl
No- it uses WebRTC. I just tried it out today. It runs like magic. I used two laptops (Each with the latest Abrowser and Trisquel 7), and Hello worked perfectly.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread jpl
I'm inclined to agree with Quantum. It is not an obligation for the server host to release the code they use, as long as it's possible to develop your own server by filling in the holes and reading the client's source code. If for some reason this is impossible, then there is a problem. But,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread jason
I've at no point said it's an obligation, only that it should be presented with a stronger argument that "it would be preferable if they did" or "in an ideal world, they would." Those are not strong enough. Sharing is good, and sharing the software that they make would be a contribution to so

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread legimet . calc
"I've at no point said it's an obligation" In your previous post, you said, "There's a strong ethical obligation to share, especially for something that would be generally useful."

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread jason
"Maybe I'm misunderstanding something." Yes, ethics and legality are different issues too. Ethically, they should. In doing so they can make a contribution to society. Legally they don't have to. What's right and what's legal aren't always the same thing. (It really is too bad that the Affe

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread legimet . calc
I think this whole discussion was about an ethical obligation, not a legal one (which obviously there isn't)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-21 Thread davesamcdxv
It can't? A bit of a forum flame war waiting to happen then (surely a forum somewhere will have a WebRTC v. SIP "discussion", right?)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's "Hello"

2014-12-22 Thread shiretoko
First of all, we don't talk about neither freedom nor privacy here. The question we're discussing at the moment is: Should we refuse to coorperate with somebody who keeps knowledge for herself? Next, i want to stress that we'll never be sure what software actually runs on mozilla's servers. S