Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-19 Thread enduzzer
I'm on Debian. It's not a real issue I'm concerned about, just meddling with it out of general curiosity and recording for posteriority as there's hardly any hits about Fluendo's practices. I'm not endorsing or planning to use Fedora or Fluendo's stuff. So I'll leave t at that. Thanks for

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-19 Thread jason
Questions about Fedora are probably best directed to the Fedora Project's existing support resources. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-19 Thread enduzzer
While playing a movie on Fedora live I got this security alert. I guess it's unrelated, but is it possible that sniffing CodeMeter could be to blame? SELinux is preventing abrt-hook-ccpp from getattr access on the file file. * Plugin catchall_labels (83.8 confidence) suggests

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-19 Thread jason
That's easy: Check out which title is the real one by playing it in VLC or some such other program. Follow through the DVD menus to play it. Then go up to VLC's Playback menu and look at which title is playing. Instruct the ripping program to use that title. Ta Da. :) So it is only a

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-19 Thread Ignacio Agulló
ja...@bluehome.net, Mar 19 Abr 2016 04:49:50 CEST: Official Trisquel policy seems to be: Ignore patents entirely. Microsoft has claimed for years to have 200+ software patents covering tasks performed by the Linux kernel, and that is their legal basis for successfully charging money

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-19 Thread dguthrie
At an extreme you could just play it and then record the screen as you do so to get round the obfuscation.

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-19 Thread enduzzer
As of late, some DVDs can't be ripped. Handbrake can't find the source. They have introduced garbage in the file system that are ignored when playing but when ripping bit by bit they cause trouble. That is my understanding. A DVD that can't be transferred to other devices is useless.

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-19 Thread jason
HDCP is broken: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection#Master_key_release I don't know what problem that person was having but it's not related to some form of new DRM on DVDs. The encryption on DVDs can never be changed. If it were the millions of DVD

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
The future may be murky for libdvdcss and DVD (let alone BR) playback on GNU/Linux. Some recent DVDs use an improved digital restrictions management scheme that libdvdcss is unable to crack, thus rendering the DVDs inaccessible under a free operating system. I bet Fluendo is counting on

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
That's interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread jason
"I was under the illusion that Trisquel deliberately makes it harder to install non-free firmware." Nope. That is a bug in Linux-libre that Trisquel inherited from using the Linux-libre deblob scripts. You see, when the non-free firmware isn't there and the kernel tries to use it, that

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
Debian Jessie plays multimedia just fine. Well, Totem has a Gstreamer bug and one must remove gstreamer1.0-vaapi first. I'm on Debian and I've not added any multimedia enabling repos or installed additional codecs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer1.0/+bug/1373978

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
I was under the illusion that Trisquel deliberately makes it harder to install non-free firmware. It won't accept wi-fi blobs, for instance. About third-party repos I'm not sure. I guess non-free repos are easily added if one so wishes.

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread jason
"Moreover, it's inconsistent on FSF's part as they don't make any reference to Fedora having non-free repos enabled easily -- like Debian. They seem to think that Debian's non-free repos are somehow more integrated into the system than they are in Fedora." (Sorry, an earlier version of

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread jason
Fedora is sponsored by Red Hat, a multinational corporation headquartered in Raleigh, North Carolina, USA. Official Trisquel policy seems to be: Ignore patents entirely. Can't necessarily blame others for wanting to draw the line in a different place though. And you can't escape patent

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
That line was misplaced. I wanted to say that the repos are in RPM Fusion, not in the distribution itself. I read the link before I posted and provided it in my post.

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
Fedora is based in the US while Trisquel in Spain?

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread jason
I'm not sure why Fedora doesn't include plugins for common multimedia playback like Trisquel does." Probably to minimize patent risk.

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
Only if you enable the non-free repository.

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
It used to be sudo yum install vlc Since Fedora 22 it's deprecated. They use dnf now. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/31/fedora_22_review/

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread dguthrie
I once tried Fedora rpm install vlc Turns up crap. BLAG better although now extremely outdated Thanks Red Hat! >;-(

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-18 Thread enduzzer
Even Windows 10 doesn't natively support encrypted DVD's anymore. They removed the codec and the functionality (Media Center). A player is available in the shop for $$. The free alternative is, of course VLC and libdvdcss*. In Fedora, one has to install RPM Fusion. It's a few clicks away, so

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-17 Thread jason
"Is there any merit to their claim offering a legal way to play multimedia in GNU/Linux?" Given the wording in the FAQ they likely pay money into the patent protection racket, thereby supporting the very problem that the free world seeks to eliminate. In addition, my research online seems

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-17 Thread enduzzer
I was curious about this.To me it looks like a prime example why free libre software must win hands down. Fluendo is a company based in Barcelona, Spain. I wonder if anybody knows about their position. Particularly the DRM part, the bit they call CodeMeter. What does it do? Does it sniff on

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-17 Thread jason
For sure, especially since we already have free programs to do exactly what these proprietary programs do.

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-17 Thread enduzzer
Many years ago when playback of videos and DVD's was harder than it's now, I had Fluendo's DVD player that I payed for. It came without any DRM schemes. The greatest downside was updates were not free after the first year. It would be great to support some Free Libre company but if they turn

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-17 Thread jadedml
Codemeter is the copy-protection (DRM) they use for their software. I'd recommend ditching OnePlay and switching to Gstreamer...

Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay

2016-04-17 Thread enduzzer
Here's what OnePlay Player looks like.