The issue about governments requesting data about the user; there is a very
easy solution: Have 500 or whatever cheap usb sticks, one for each user, then
if you get a request for the data, the user can choose if you destroy the usb
stick. Then, even if they go into the building where the
Couldn't Thinkpenguin get in trouble for destroying evidence?
The US government is legally unable to access one's documents without
probable cause, or a warrant. The federal government has gotten so out of
hand that they have and will try to get the data without either of those.
The Fourth
Just like quantumgravity said, I can't afford this amount of money, specially
because I don't have a monthly income, and speaking of numbers, 1 USD equals
to 2,20 BRL, which means I'll need to donate more than 40 BRL in order to
donate 20 USD, this would be easy if I had a monthly income,
Yep.
And the major difference between this administration and the last is that the
first guys just didn't care about the law ... and the new guys are putting
all their effort into doing the same unconstitutional bullshit and trying to
make the law bless it, when they do it. Instead of
There is more to this issue than just the US government's invasion of our
privacy. The issue extends to companies such as Google, Microsoft, Apple,
Facebook, and others.
They have an incentive to collect, track, and use the information for
targeting advertisements, and potentially other
I heard someone say the other night that Americans tend to fear government,
while the rest of the developed world fears corporate power. I think that's
generally right.
In many ways the federal government is the only protection left to people
without power. That's why business is all over
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On 2013-06-08 00:02, ch...@thinkpenguin.com wrote:
You only need to be better than the rest to make it worthwhile.
I believe you already are better on several levels, or already there, at
ThinkPenguin.
If I were you I'd create such a service with
A corporation is the most dangerous with a government; the pair create laws
like the DMCA.
Lets say a corporation, individual, or state wants access to John's data.
Especially since the passing of the Patriot Act there is zero privacy from
the state. And you will not be notified and a gag order is placed to prevent
anybody from telling you.
Unfortunately, I can't afford this amount of money, though I'm interested.
I think privacy should be available to poor people, too. Perhaps a more
flexible solution will be found.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Stefano pietran...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:36 AM, ch...@thinkpenguin.com wrote:
I'm curious if people would pay for a set of services that had:
1. clearly defined privacy policies
2. based on free software
3. developed and maintained by a
(Independently of all the security measures such an organization would
take...)
Unless it would be endorsed by a (good) secret service that I know is not
controlled by the same interests that control the Western secret services
(and one that would make an extensive background check on
Well said.
US laws are already irrelevant...
Since, the laws that are being passed violate the US supreme set of laws,
called the Constitution. (And, all laws are not truly obeyed, when they are
not convenient to follow.)
What the US government can't do legally, it will do illegaly.
Yes, I really understand all the economical issues.
I'm thinking of the very basic stuff:
mail, search engine, very restricted syncing storage;
advertising is nothing bad as long as it's not improved with my personal
data, so maybe this would be a solution.
Regarding the free vs. evil freeloaders problem: If you want to keep it
screened yet anonymous, there are ways. Money orders in a very small amount,
for example, might be sufficient to rid yourself of the drive-by spammer
types, at least. Or you could use the riseup model of write me an
I am in the same boat as quantumgravity, unfortunately, and have a minor
child to think about, but would definitely be interested in subscribing if my
circumstances change or donating what I can to the project if they don't.
I currently use my riseup.net address for activism and personal
D'accord.
Yes, limiting yourself to hiding is ultimately pointless and self-defeating.
And complete transparency in one's struggle is generally only possible for
true saints.
Most of us occupy some point in between, and this is where I'm hoping that
Chris's efforts will be useful.
And, as for evidence that soon laws will be passed, that will end the
Internet as we know it, (and not mentioning credible sources that I know of,
but of which I doubt everyone else, in here, has ever heard of, knows who
they are, and what their reputation is) you just have to connect the
And, to finish this point I was making...
For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, when I say that the
US government is doing things illegaly... The 4th Amendment to the United
States Constitution forbids the government from doing this type of
surveillance, without a thing
You only need to be better than the rest to make it worthwhile. The goal is
not to subvert the law. The goal is to ensure users retain as much
privacy/anonymity/freedom within what the law will allow even or despite the
fact no one else is. There are other people working on projects which
The Trisquel project didn't managed to get 100 members paying the minimum
amount (5€) in 2 years or so and you believe you will find people willing
to pay $20-$30 USD/month for a bunch of services that you can't possibly be
good at all ?
I think your intentions are good and I would like to
I've recently set up my own KVM-based vServer that runs Trisquel.
It hosts email, statusnet and GNU MediaGoblin.
MediaGoblin is reachable via http://www.isengaara.de/.
I installed MediaGoblin because other mediahubs such as http://vocano.de/ use
the nonfree flashplayer vor video playback. The
I would certainly pay for such a service. I could do my own, but time is an
issue for me so it would be worth paying for a service that was convenient
and respected freedom and privacy.
On 06/06/13 12:36, chris wrote:
you could spin up 100% free software friendly trisquel / parabola
VPSs email services /w secure web, imap, pop/smtp (managed by the
entity for ease of use, although possibly with the ability to connect
domains to it)
I'm already in the early stages of
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:36 AM, ch...@thinkpenguin.com wrote:
I'm curious if people would pay for a set of services that had:
1. clearly defined privacy policies
2. based on free software
3. developed and maintained by a trusted party (and possibly endorsed by
respectable individuals and/or
Yes, I would be interessed. On technical side it seems to require a lot of
know-how, and on legal side.. well, I am not aware of the issues there but I
can guess there is something like data retension laws or log keeping. Have
you checked if there is a demand for such a server in the Tor
I would love to see web service providers like that. For users that want to
use advanced web services but don't want to use non-free saas or companies
that have corporate interest in their data, I think it could be in high
demand. Since it would provide useful web-only services like cloud
Sure there's people interested. Just take a look at
libreplanet-disc...@libreplanet.org archives (I bet they exist): the
availability of Freedom+Privacy respecting cloud services are one of the
most asked questions there.
Chris, I would almost certainly sign up.
Although ...
I'd want a way to pay for the services I use, and not just plunk down c.$300
a year for a bundle.
What you're probably looking at is tiered service levels, like most places
have. Micro/Small/Med/Large, or something like that.
For the
On 07/06/13 11:06, adel.afzal wrote:
Are privacy laws very different from country to country? Well, I
guess so, depending on the country ... but I don't really know what
those differences are.
I don't know much about other countries, but Australia has the
Information Privacy Principles
It would require further research although I am confident that there are no
data retention laws in the United States. The closest thing would be a
warrant for a specific user to retain data already preserved and possibly in
theory to record future data. What this means in practice is we
I'm curious if people would pay for a set of services that had:
1. clearly defined privacy policies
2. based on free software
3. developed and maintained by a trusted party (and possibly endorsed by
respectable individuals and/or projects like the EFF, FSF, RMS, etc)
There are some companies
Count me in as someone very much interested in such a service. Even if I didn't
take advantage of all of the features, it'd be wonderful to have a libre
alternative to a Google or Yahoo.
One additional idea, would be to provide MediaGoblin servers as well perhaps.
I'd love to be kept posted.
I'll pay for these services for sure... and if you throw in Mediagoblin I'll
name my firstborn after you.
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