Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

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Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-25 Thread tegskywalker
Hopefully in the next Trisquel meeting, the issue regarding the kernels will be brought up and discussed with Ruben. That is if he actually shows up this time.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-25 Thread chris
:) We need more clarification on the meeting times/days. Actually. This should be the first thing on the agenda. If it is every week at a particular time on a particular day fine. Lets document it though. Then we need to remind people. Post to the mailing list/create a new forum topic.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-24 Thread jason
However I doubt that the code was removed or disabled to prevent the loading of the firmware. I believe it was, based on the deblob log [0] where it mentions disabled non-Free firmware-loading machinery. ATH9K_HTC - Atheros HTC based wireless cards support

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-24 Thread tegskywalker
Thanks for the responses. If the Atheros N devices can work out of the box with Trisquel 6 using the standard and non backported libre kernels, then that would be excellent. It is a good thing Chris looked into the Linux Libre deblob script and hopefully his findings and suggestions

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-24 Thread chris
This is kind of weird. disabled non-Free firmware-loading machinery While there isn't a free version of the firmware right now I wouldn't think you would want to disable the loading of firmware. It isn't (I'm assuming) disabling the loading of only non-free firmware. Rather it is disabling

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-24 Thread chris
I talked to Alexandre Oliva who maintains the linux-libre kernel/script and learned a few things. 1. Apparently Trisquel/Rubén maintain a separate deblob script 2. As jxself pointed out too it'll be easy to release an update to enable the loading machinery in the kernel after Trisquel 6 is

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-24 Thread jason
It is as if the script removed some piece of the driver that loads the firmware Yes, that's exactly correct. You'd probably need to talk to Alexandre Olivia to be sure but I think that the motivation is that the firmware is software, and proprietary software at that, and in the absence of

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-24 Thread chris
Yea- I did. That is what it sounded like to me based on what he said.

[Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-23 Thread tegskywalker
DNS and jxself are interesting people in the scope of the free software world. Both are extremely talented and offer the most recent Linux Libre kernel for Trisquel and other libre distros. Even if DNS didn't touch a kernel again, his work on maintaining the free software in his PPAs is

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-23 Thread jason
It's probably a bit much to say that the fate of this entire distribution and of the ThinkPenguin company lies with DNS and myself. The ath9k_htc driver has been included with the kernel called Linux since version 2.6.35. That means 5.0, 5.5, and 6.0 all have a new enough kernel. Will this

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-23 Thread tegskywalker
The N wireless dongle that he sent me did NOT work out of the box in any Trisquel or Ubuntu 12.04's stable kernels. It wasn't until I upgraded to Ubuntu's 3.5 backport kernel that I was able to plug it in with no problem. I do understand that clever hackers and PPA junkies will find a way to

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-23 Thread jason
As far as I know, no one outside of Qualcomm Atheros and those few people working under NDA have even *seen* the source code for this yet so it's a little premature at this time. Don't worry, j3g, as I said: Once the firmware has been properly freed and the source code made available,

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-23 Thread chris
t3g: We did a bit of testing in-house and I think Ubuntu 12.04 LTS worked out of the box with the non-free firmware. Trisquel 5.5 is based on Ubuntu 11.10 though and the included kernel version does not include the driver to load the firmware. Thus you needed to install a kernel + firmware

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-23 Thread chris
I think I might have tested the linux-libre kernel with the non-free firmware and had problems. However I doubt that the code was removed or disabled to prevent the loading of the firmware. It was probably something I was doing like testing the firmware with the 5.5 release instead of with

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-23 Thread chris
You have me wondering now. I'm testing this as I write this. Facts (just verified): Ubuntu 12.04 contains the driver + firmware and the adapter works with it out of the box Trisquel 6 contains at least a partial driver although not the firmware. -- Here is where things get confusing... it

Re: [Trisquel-users] The fate of Think Penguin and Trisquel depends on DNS and/or jxself

2013-01-23 Thread chris
:) I'd agree with you on this. Worded differently though I would say it is important that Trisquel be easy to use for everyone. I don't think that requires the latest kernel provided there are options for people (hardware with chipsets that are supported by older kernels for various types of