Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-25 Thread Andrew M. 'Leny' Lindley
On Thursday 25 October 2012 03:39:37 ch...@thinkpenguin.com wrote: Your certainly right about this. I don't think Rubén is without criticism though. One does need to learn to let go of certain things to be a good manager. I don't know what SirGrant has submitted, how long, etc. Maybe it

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-24 Thread sirgrant
While I will admit I am not t3g's biggest fan I believe he does have a decent point here. Ruben is not around as much as users would like. I would like to get bazaar access and I have submitted several bug fixes with no responses from him. I won't lie it does get frustrating because I

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-24 Thread chris
Your certainly right about this. I don't think Rubén is without criticism though. One does need to learn to let go of certain things to be a good manager. I don't know what SirGrant has submitted, how long, etc. Maybe it is something that should have gone upstream and Rubén ignored it. The

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-24 Thread chris
I'm generally agree. Not everything t3g says is without merit although I take it with a grain of salt. I'd probably be more open to his thoughts if he contributed something other than criticisms. He seems more intent on derailing the project.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-23 Thread tegskywalker
Here are my two main reasons: 1. Ruben is already VERY hard to get in contact with and we rarely get news and updates from him or interaction on the forums or IRC chat. If we give him more money, don't we expect more interaction from him with us and would that change? Will he continue to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-23 Thread sirgrant
I have marked these as reasons for not becoming an associate member on our [https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/proposed-policies-procedures-solutions proposed policies, procedures, solutions page] because I think these are valid reasons.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-23 Thread teodorescup
1. Yes, it would be nice if Ruben would be more active around this community but that shouldn't affect users decision to donate. Many users here emphasise on the future benefits of contributing to this project but I prefer to believe that my modest contribution goes as a thank you for the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-22 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-10-21 05:11 PM, ch...@thinkpenguin.com a écrit : There are a lot of areas that Trisquel could in improve in. The problem is there aren't enough financial contributions from those using it. I was just thinking about this again. If there

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-22 Thread chris
Unfortunately your right. There are a lot of people using Trisquel who do not put much value in their freedom. It's why I wouldn't suggest forcing payment on users. I wouldn't object to making us all having to work a bit harder for it though. A 30-60 second delay on the download page maybe

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-21 Thread chris
There were dozens of forks prior to its shutdown.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-21 Thread tegskywalker
Now they have a chance to flourish. I still think that Ubuntu and/or Trisquel should integrate it into their system. Trisquel would benefit the most by adapting the apps feature and showing free software only. Could help promote software and users could easily install free software in the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-21 Thread chris
There are a lot of areas that Trisquel could in improve in. The problem is there aren't enough financial contributions from those using it. I was just thinking about this again.    If there were 100 members then each would have to donate at least $50 a month. That isn't going to happen.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-21 Thread aliasbody
And this shows the beauty of Free Software

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-21 Thread tegskywalker
Makes you wonder if he made the original announcement for free marketing or is just starving for attention. It is good that he has returned, because it is a great project. I've even submitted bug reports and feature requests to him that were later integrated. Welcome back old friend.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-21 Thread chris
If he did he's better at public relations than any other free software project I've ever encountered.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-20 Thread tegskywalker
Look at the timing of my last post. I was in the process of writing it on a cell phone during your processing of the post about a fork in progress. Chill out bro.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-20 Thread alonivtsan
Ubuntu Tweak is really useful - if I remember correctly (I haven't used it in years) it makes removing old kernels and PPAs possible without using the terminal so new users do not need to see multiple kernels whenever the update includes a new kernel and they can easily purge PPAs that they

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-20 Thread aliasbody
http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/ubuntu-tweak-development-stopped.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-20 Thread tegskywalker
You are now trolling the thread because I replied and said that my post proceeded his response about the fork, which I didn't know about. I'm fine with the English language but I am getting the assumption here that neither of us are listening to each other.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-20 Thread tegskywalker
I'm also basing Banana's viewpoint on the comment he made in his first reply: If it indeed dies, that would simply mean that people did not find Ubuntu Tweaks that useful.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-20 Thread tegskywalker
At the time of the original post, the news of him leaving was just announced. Since then, there have been announcements of forks and I was made aware of the next steps. Even with that in mind, you are still basing your argument on my original post and it is a lazy effort on your part to

[Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-19 Thread tegskywalker
http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/ubuntu-tweak-development-stopped.html Even though it suggested non-free software in some parts, this was considered a great application to tweak Ubuntu based systems. The developer was vague in why he stopped, but he blamed free software not being free anymore.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-19 Thread aliasbody
This is sad... even if I only used this application 1 or 2 times I have to admit that this is sad... but I'm pretty sure that he stopped developing because of the lack of money for running the servers and the development itself and/or because of the last Business Tactics by Canonical... they

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-19 Thread nospamhere
Uhh, Netcraft confirms, but I want the dirt. Here is what the (ex)developer said: You may ask why I made this decision to stop the development of Ubuntu Tweak, I may write 10,000 words to describe how I start this project, how I feel happy from this project, how I feel bad from this

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-19 Thread onpon4
You said that the project is dead and said something about it being a failure of free software. Just because the developer has stopped developing a program doesn't mean it's dead unless it's nonfree. A free program can be picked up by anyone at any time. You know, kind of like

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-19 Thread tegskywalker
He also said that the app feature and its requests were averaging 10 GB a day in bandwidth and he couldn't afford it. As for Banana's ignorant comment about it not being developed anymore due to importance and use, that is far from the truth. I hope it does live on with the app feature

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-19 Thread chris
While there is a bit of truth to this there are many forks. My comment above about t3g stands. This particular developer may have gone. The project is not dead. Users will simply have to get another version.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu Tweak project is now dead. What now?

2012-10-19 Thread chris
As I said it has already been forked it seems. There are other versions floating about. The software is under a license which does not require permission to fork it. It's NOT dead. This is just more of your misinformation.