Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-13 Thread adel . afzal
Has the Open Source Initiative (OSI) said anything about the motivations for open source? I assume that the OSI's definition of open source accomodates Tom Preston -Werner's vision. And perhaps others' visions too? Are there other visions for open source? http://opensource.org/osd

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-05 Thread jbar
This has been discussed many times in these forums. Extracted from https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html : There are only a couple of kinds of projects that we think should not have any copyleft at all. The first is very small projects. We use 300 lines as our benchmark:

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-04 Thread ahj
hurrr the GPL is too long! Reading is hard! Yeah well so is the US constitution, what kind of pleb-tier argument is this?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-04 Thread mdunivan
The GPL,LGPL, and AGPL are for software where the Free Software Foundation has been assigned the copyright. The Apache Public license was created for Apache by Apache. The Mozilla Public license was created by Mozilla. The copyright owner controls and protects the software. The copyright

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-04 Thread tegskywalker
I'm aware that Apache 2.0 is permissive, but doesn't it have patent protection that both BSD and MIT lack?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-04 Thread tegskywalker
That reminds me of some fonts that Adobe releases as free software under SIL 1.1, but can only be created from source code using their non-free tools. This is probably why you don't see Adobe's Source Sans Pro, Source Serif Pro, and Source Code Pro fonts in the Debian/Trisquel/Ubuntu

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-04 Thread tegskywalker
Try out GitLab: https://www.gitlab.com

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-04 Thread tegskywalker
I agree because people like him want to take code from others and since it isn't copyleft, it is the best option to make non-free or never contribute back. They only want to release code that is safe to release and hope that the community will work on it for them (beats paying a full time

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-04 Thread tegskywalker
The Xiph codecs should stay under a BSD license to aid in adoption and to provide a free option. Even RMS agrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-04 Thread davesamcdxv
Yeah, you're right. It was long after my post did I think about it. I guess the next time somebody brings that (freedom 0 and allowing Free Software to be re-released unfreely based on it and debating GPL's freeness based on it) up when it comes to discussing software freedom I can explain

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread onpon4
I'd like to add that the logic used here would also work for justifying the legalization of slavery. You could say, We want workers to have the freedom to choose how they want to work, and that's why permitting people to sell themselves into slavery is the best way. (It's not the same, mind

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread davesamcdxv
Actually the GPL sin't focused on total (any better words?) freedom as it basically says Don't tell the world that it's your writing since it wasn't, and don't you dare to re-release a version of this software that is not *free* , while non-copyleft lincences simply say Don't tell the world

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread shiretoko
Not quite. Writing proprietary software is more like offering somebody to become a slave at free will. It's like raising the question: who wants to become my slave voluntarily?. It's similar but not the same like enslaving people directly since they are free to choose whether they want to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread onpon4
Exactly.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread tegskywalker
Doesn't Apache 2.0 fix this?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread tegskywalker
I'm not Tom Preston-Wener, so therefore I didn't give the speech in question. Direct your anger towards him.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread tegskywalker
GPL gives total freedom to the user, but restricted freedom to the developer. Permissive gives total freedom to the user and developer, but then allows other developers to change the intention of the original developer by making proprietary or bundling it with other proprietary software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread onpon4
No, that's a permissive license. Incidentally, since this anti-GPL FUD includes complaints that the GPL is long, it doesn't work to support the Apache License, itself being lengthy.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread tobias
Some time ago I heard that github is not Open Source, so I decided to use gitorius insted which is copylefted free software under the AGPL. At this time I was a Mac User but I know that if something is not open source, it is certainly not free software. [RMS] When I browse github, I still

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread legimet . calc
Freedom 0 means that you can use the program in whatever way you want, not that you can do whatever you want with it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread gramex
I looked at choosealicense.com, and found out that this page uses the word content that one should avoid. Another reason to avoid using the site is that it leaves No license on the table as a legitimate option. If you send people to choosealicense.com, they may decide to go the no license

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread adrian . malacoda
Tom Preston-Warner represents the open source world. In the open source world, open source code exists so that proprietary software developers can build their proprietary software on top of collaboratively maintained libraries and frameworks. That's why his mantra is open source almost

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread adel . afzal
great post http://tom.preston-werner.com/2011/11/22/open-source-everything.html Have you ever written an amazing library or tool at one job and then left to join another company only to rewrite that code or remain miserable in its absence? [...] By getting code out in the public we can

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-03 Thread davesamcdxv
Yeah but I think the the former is sometimes a bit too synonymous with the latter.

[Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-02 Thread tegskywalker
I was installing jxself's kernel today on a new rig and decided to stalk him on identica and saw him comment about GitHub's Tom Preston-Wener's keynote talking about FLOSS licenses at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAAlPXB2-c around the 10:52 mark. Is this a new mentality where the cool

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-02 Thread onpon4
Sounded like FUD to me.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-02 Thread tegskywalker
Follow up interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DoB0SCUtOk

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-02 Thread tegskywalker
Exerpt from http://tom.preston-werner.com/2011/11/22/open-source-everything.html What is the One True License? I prefer the MIT license and almost everything we open source at GitHub carries this license. I love this license for several reasons: * It's short. Anyone can read this license

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-02 Thread em9002
We're not interested in your anti-GPL FUD, t3g.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why the GPL doesnt focus on freedom keynote from OSCON

2014-07-02 Thread onpon4
That's FUD, plain and simple.