It seems I was mistaken, I created an action item about Google Groups,
but not about YouTube.
I tried finding a way to contact YouTube directly, but I gave up,
because it only allows you to do so if you register. Also, there is a
contact form, but it will only address content issues and
That worked. Thank you Magic Banana.
This is an interesting thread. Considering non-free scripts as non-free
software comes as a shock in the first moment, because it means that if we
are to avoid non-free software we should limit ourselves to a fraction of the
world wide web. The good news is that there's something we can do
Forget about the "two options" part, it was part of my reply before I
got the extensive list of options down there. :)
Indeed, so far we have two options, but, at least for (a) and (b), these
*must be* evaluated:
a. GNU LibreJS + GreaseMonkey + ViewTube.
- Or: NoScript + GreaseMonkey + ViewTube (as long as you can make
NoScript not block the others).
b. GNU LibreJS + HTML5 Video Everywhere.
- HTML5
I can't find the page. There are A LOT of action items.
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Action_items
mpv uses youtube-dl.
youtube-dl runs JavaScript code from YouTube, which is nonfree.
Are you sure ViewTube doesn't just do what youtube-dl does, which is
downloading YouTube's nonfree JS and running it in the background?
This is really turning off topic (sorry) but I really want to understand how
to use browser well. I'll start a new thread on use of browsers. Please
contribute.
Of course not. My browser deletes all cookies when I close it.
Are you not concerned about cookies from youtube?
> Have you allowed scripts from youtube.com* ?
I normally keep JavaScript off, period. I only turn it on when I can't find
any other option. In the case of YouTube, the only cases where I need to turn
JavaScript on are:
* Uploading a video
* Posting a comment
I watch videos with
Well, there is no doubt that ignorance can lead to paranoia. Given the
behaviour of e.g. Google, I think that paranoia is fair enough. But of
course, one is better off in the light of scepticism than in the shade of
paranoia.
'Fear' would have been a better formulation than 'believe' in my
> which requires me to accept some terms - I believe they would have to put
something on my computer to keep track of that.
Why do you believe that?
In any case, the terms are not about opening Web pages. They're about any use
of the service. Whether you use it through a Web page or through
But to watch the actual video on e.g. youtube, I would still have to go the
youtube homepage which requires me to accept some terms - I believe they
would have to put something on my computer to keep track of that.
Maybe this quetion could be put in another way: How do you actually use
Most browsers I'm aware of refuse to run user scripts unless scripts are
enabled across the board. Maybe SeaMonkey is like that; I don't know.
Greasemonkey for Firefox works without normal scripts enabled, though.
I want to try this. I have installed Seamonkey and the script. I am unsure of
how to actually use it. Will I still need to go to https.//youtube.com? In
that case it's not of much use (I guess) because I would have to allow script
on that page.
Am I mistaking?
ell then, one more reason to team up and give a petition or something
similar to YouTube, asking them to fix it.
I actually have a template of the request, and it's on Action Items page
at LibrePlanet wiki. If for some reason the list in that page doesn't
mention YouTube, look at the subpages of
"...through any technology or means other than the video playback pages..."
Well, youtube-dl does report:
[youtube]: Downloading webpage
So maybe an argument could be made that "Content" is indeed being "accessed"
"via" the "video playback pages"...
But really, only Google can know what
Hi to everyone on the forums. I'm a new member here. I'm not especially
technical but I am certainly interested in Free Software (and Free Culture)
and I find the discussions on the Trisquel forums very interesting.
I was curious to get some thoughts on whether software such as youtube-dl
I was an avid user of youtube-dl, until I figured out that it runs the
nonfree JS from YouTube, and that the developers plan an making it do that in
the future.
https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/issues/12129#issuecomment-279647782
You can watch google earth in the browser. Does it require non free software?
Good article onpon. I did not know javascript imports software on your
computer and runs it. Referencing either the computer controls you or you
control the computer, that is not acceptable.
>As for YouTube, you can watch its videos with an alternative program such as
ViewTube
Not easy when you do not know how to set it up.
Ah, cool. Yeah, skimming the documentation, you can upload videos with that.
In that case, the Internet Archive's problems are all minor. Normal use of
the site other than uploading does not require JavaScript, and while
uploading through normal use of the site does require JavaScript,
The archive website is fine. I just wget the vids.
> my complaint is that uploading videos requires JavaScript
Check out https://github.com/jjjake/internetarchive, a Python and
Command-Line Interface to Archive.org. I haven't tested it; maybe with this
you can upload videos without executing proprietary software.
> possibly with a high-quality Theora encoding and highest
quality Opus encoding muxed together using the WebM-complaint subset of
> Matroska.
WebM is not allowed to contain Theora video, and you wouldn't want to anyway
because VP8 is generally speaking better (slower, but better compression
I would say use http://www.ytdl.info
This is because the average visitor goes to the website and is required
to run non-free software automatically.
Also, if the uploader of content in Internet Archive doesn't tell
otherwise, the Internet Archive will make alternative
video/audio/image/text in formats *unfriendly* to free/libre
"nternet Archive seems to be in same
issue too, unfortunately"
Why's that?
Vimeo is in same issue as YouTube. Internet Archive seems to be in same
issue too, unfortunately.
MediaGoblin is, in fact, a software that one installs on a computer, so
that computer can act like a website to publish/share video, image,
text, audio, and some other things. But there is no need
Is greasemonkey software to run isebaro?
Instead of VLC, I use mpv.
Latest version of mpv is available in Guix, I can simply do:
mpv [YouTube link.]
And it will automatically download and play using youtube-dl. Personally
I do:
mpv --ytdl-format="webm" [YouTube link.]
Happy hacking! :)
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Interesting, I've never checked.
I guess it makes sense since it's streaming/downloading the video, whereas
watching on the browser might be using the server's resources.
But regarding video quality, at least with youtube-dl, you can select it.
Please don't say that! Have you ever compare the Consumption of system
resources between seeing a video in vlc and in the browser using say
duckduckgo??? It's almost the double of consumption! And plus the quality of
the video decreases tremendously.
It's not very wise, I think.
Compliments
@ADFENO >
"However, please do not upload videos to YouTube, and please ask people
not to upload videos there, it requires the visitors of the web site to
run non-free software."
I agree, ¿and what about Vimeo, archive.org or Mediagoblin? i like
MediaGoblin but you can't set privates videos
https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube
Seconded. In fact, even putting issues of liberty aside, the flashy ads,
re-implementations of features browsers handle just fine, and tax on page
load times make webpage-loaded JS an absolute nightmare.
I like that idea. Been doing that for a while now. :)
Nice essay! I like the idea of making the browser to install the scripts you
want to use, instead of always downloading the script and executing it. Our
browser could install every version of jQuery if we wanted, and other useful
and free software JS.
I think that LibreJS is useful, and I
> but not all
> JS is non-free, se we mustn't block it completely.
There is an important technical reason why I say no JavaScript on Web pages
should be executed, even if it's libre. My essay explains that reason:
https://onpon4.github.io/other/kill-js/
This can be overridden by a very
That's quite interesting question indeed, and the wording you used to
ask makes up for a perfect answer:
Since you asked "Is non libre software required to display youtube videos
in the browser", my answer is:
Unfortunatelly, in most sites in the Internet, society is forced to run
some non-free
You can watch youtube videos with VLC just by pasting the url of the video
you wish to watch in a terminal
$ vlc https://
This will launch VLC, enjoy!
The YouTube website sends proprietary JavaScript code which loads the video.
You really ought to disable JavaScript on your browser entirely if possible;
I've outlined why here:
https://onpon4.github.io/other/kill-js/
As for YouTube, you can watch its videos with an alternative program such
My debian 8 64bit main mate computer can display youtube videos. I noticed
some write about youtube dl. Is non libre software required to display
youtube videos in the browser also on a computer which has a libre software
system installed? Thanks.
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