Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 11:34:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: benevolent works (James) is [sic] necessary benevolent works (James) are necessary  --  don't want to cast further doubt on my Harvard education.  John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 11:30:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Its just funny, Judy.   Really.   Say it with me now  "We are talking about the law and its defining moment resulting in the conscienceness of sin"   and someone says,  "I don;t care if you are consci

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 10:45:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judyt: The disciples wouldn't have had a hope amongst you all, simple and unlearned men depending on the Holy Spirit?  How naive .   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:31:19 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:10:15 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 10:44:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I understand that it wouldn't float in theological circles John but what's the differencebetween sin consciousness and being either co

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 10:44:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand that it wouldn't float in theological circles John but what's the difference between sin consciousness and being either conscious or unconscious of the darkness within one - just another way o

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Judyt: The disciples wouldn't have had a hope amongst you all, simple and unlearned men depending on the Holy Spirit?  How naive .     On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:31:19 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 6:48:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Judyt: I understand that it wouldn't float in theological circles John but what's the difference between sin consciousness and being either conscious or unconscious of the darkness within one - just another way of conveying the same concept.     On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:22:21 EDT [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 9:11:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what does the Message say about 'regenerates' who think like this? We are the Church.  (regenerates ? -;)  ) J

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 10/25/2004 10:13:04 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: coveting what one cannot possess (?)  Think In and Out.John Coveting   huh?  Who me???  Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:41:56 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >[un]regenerate[s] cannot possibly understand the Message... || >How could I be wrong if my  presuppositions are established in my preferences   what does the Message say about 'regenerates' who think like this?  

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 8:43:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (isn't he your new you's daddy?) -:) J

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
(isn't he your new you's daddy?)   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:14:50 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: something tells me that Cornelius Van Til knows the new you   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:26:59 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 4:52:15 PM Pacific Daylight

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 8:22:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: something tells me that Cornelius Van Til knows the new you   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:26:59 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 4:52:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
something tells me that Cornelius Van Til knows the new you   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:26:59 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 4:52:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rofx666!  On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:56:28 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 8:00:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And where did you learn to speell, John--at Harvard? :-) Iz Public schools graduate, Linda? Latter in the day, join us here on TT for real discussion. John I kind of like the way I spell.  Correctn

Re: [TruthTalk] 4th Commandment

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 8:00:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Just a reminder: If GOD does not consider them to be Believers (ie: "confessed" only), then they are not Believers. We both know that "confessed" only "Believers" are NOT believers. So stop fudging plea

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
zing   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:18:01 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Terry said -- [Yeshua] was fully man, but not natural man. When... a natural man walk on water... Then slade said -- Peter [a man who walked on water] is not a natural man.   OF COURSE I

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 7:40:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is wrong for you guys to talk about these burgers when most of us can't get them where we live   ROTFL At least Kay said she'd try to look for the recipe.  And just "What is sin anyway?"    Laura covetin

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 10/25/2004 8:41:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Double-Double with Cheese has got to be the finest 'burger around.   -- slade It is wrong for you guys to talk about these burgers when most of us can't get them where we live   ROTF

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 6:52:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judyt:  Very funny John .. proves my point that you are full of yourself and don't take God's Word all that seriously.   Whoa, now wait a sec, Judy. I can attest to the FACT that John takes his Scripture s

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 6:37:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Double-Double with Cheese has got to be the finest 'burger around.   -- slade You have nailed it, my friend. John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 6:48:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In other words, if a passage is written within a certain worldview or mindset, it should be interpreted within that same worldview or mindset. In many ways, the Eastern mindset is opposite to the western mind

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 4:52:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rofx666!   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:56:28 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 1:05:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judyt: It's the scriptural way of seeing th

Re: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 6:31:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why bother John? You reject it as "done away with" Close but no cigar. JD 

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 1:03:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually the law brought in consciousness of sin, not birth itself.  jt: It was there whether they were conscious or unconscious Judy, I have to laugh.  Sorry.   But "consciousness of sin" has nothing t

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 10:46:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus was man, but did not inherit a sin nature.  The word "nature" implies natural, and Jesus was no natural man.  Jesus was supernatural!  He walked on water, he calmed the sea.  He healed lepers whose b

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread Slade Henson
ï Terry said -- [Yeshua] was fully man, but not natural man. When... a natural man walk on water... Then slade said -- Peter [a man who walked on water] is not a natural man.   OF COURSE IT'S MYTH! Once in a while posts on TruthTalk can convey sarcasm. Please be forewarned.   -- slade

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
myth   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:00:50 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Peter..is not a natural man.||

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, Exactly right. But now you will be accused of not caring enough about theology. Izzy > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:41 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [TruthTalk] Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] 4th Commandment

2004-10-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Just a reminder: If GOD does not consider them to be Believers (ie: "confessed" only), then they are not Believers. We both know that "confessed" only "Believers" are NOT believers. So stop fudging please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMA

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
And where did you learn to speell, John--at Harvard? :-) Iz Public schools graduate, Linda? Latter in the day, join us here on TT for real discussion. John

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
ftr, y/ours is a pagan culture, due in part to Christians who cling ever so tightly partic to political myth   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:38:18 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   myth   (addressed wisely in an earlier post today)   Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:27:17 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EM

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Your Bush hatred seeps out of your pores like a constant ooze, Jonathan. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 5:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin   Jesu

RE: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-25 Thread Slade Henson
I have a pretty disgustingly good perspective on this "war" in Iraq, the one we had in Korea, and the "police action" in Vietnam. Let us not forget, however, the terrible mess we made for shipping oil in the old Czech Republic. (Anyone want to know why the French hate the USA so much? It's a

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread Slade Henson
Peter, then, is not a natural man. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, 25 October, 2004 16.45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus He was fully man, but not natural man. When you, a natural man walk o

RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Slade Henson
In other words, if a passage is written within a certain worldview or mindset, it should be interpreted within that same worldview or mindset. In many ways, the Eastern mindset is opposite to the western mindset.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[

RE: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Slade Henson
Judyt:  Very funny John .. proves my point that you are full of yourself and don't take God's Word all that seriously.    Whoa, now wait a sec, Judy. I can attest to the FACT that John takes his Scripture seriously. He and I just spend a HUGE amount of time slicing and dicing each other with

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
  myth   (addressed wisely in an earlier post today)   Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:27:17 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Daniel didn't ..criticiz[e] the government even in a pagan culture.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 10:45:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually the law brought in consciousness of sin, not birth itself.  We needed the law to show that we were transgressing something.  Birth only transfers the ability to sin on to future generations.  You a

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Slade Henson
The Double-Double with Cheese has got to be the finest 'burger around.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 24 October, 2004 22.30To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What i

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 10:32:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm listening John but I am not agreeing because the above is not the counsel of God. "By one man sin entered the world and death by sin" And why do you not quote the entire passage?   could it be that it

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 7:45:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All things does not include sin John, otherwise he would not be called holy in Mary's womb Judy  -- do you really think you need to reason this out for me?    Nowhere do I include "sin" in my description of

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    Judyt: True Daniels prayer below is for God's people and Jerusalem because Judah were in captivity in a foreign culture. My point is that Daniel didn't sit around griping about his situation and/or criticizing the government even in a pagan culture. He refused to worship the golden idol

Re: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding

2004-10-25 Thread Jeff Powers
Why bother John? You reject it as "done away with" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding In a message dated 10/25/2004 12:41:35 AM

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:16:56 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: As a believer I am called to pray for our President. ^   myth   -- E.g., there's neither one word here for Darius the Mede, nor for Persia, nor for Babylon, but there is total concern for (eschatol

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:45:41 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 10/25, jt: >Daniel didn't have a problem with Nebuchadnezzar did he?    to the contrary, Dan 2:24,5 indicate that Dan took certain steps to solve his problem/s with Babylon why are you questiong thi

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
rofx666!   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:56:28 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 1:05:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judyt:It's the scriptural way of seeing things... || [John the Beloved :][God gave me these sciptures.] ..I no

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread Terry Clifton
He was fully man, but not natural man. When you, a natural man walk on water and calm a storm, I may change my mind. In the meantime, I have spoken. Let it be decreed. TerryHughes Jonathan wrote: Ah Terry if it was only so simple. Of course Christ could be tempted. The bible clearly shows it

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread ttxpress
10/25, jt: >Daniel didn't have a problem with Nebuchadnezzar did he?    to the contrary, Dan 2:24,5 indicate that Dan took certain steps to solve his problem/s with Babylon   why are you questiong this(?); iow, why the reluctance to criticize your gov't., even when it really deserves i

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:44:11 -0400 "Hughes Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Actually the law brought in consciousness of sin, not birth itself.    jt: It was there whether they were conscious or unconscious and mankind was still separated from God. This is why God cut the

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread Hughes Jonathan
Ah Terry if it was only so simple. Of course Christ could be tempted. The bible clearly shows it not only occurring but says that He was tempted in all ways just as we are. You are correct in that God wants fellowship with men (and women too). You are incorrect that practicing sinners are banne

[TruthTalk] Jesus

2004-10-25 Thread Terry Clifton
I have been following the squabbling y'all are doing about Jesus; could He sin, did He have a sin nature, was He fully man or in the likeness of man, on and on, ad nausem. Could He be tempted? Some say yes because Satan made several offers. Others say no because He rejected these offers. The

RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Hughes Jonathan
Actually the law brought in consciousness of sin, not birth itself.  We needed the law to show that we were transgressing something.  Birth only transfers the ability to sin on to future generations.  You are not a sinner because Adam sinned.  That is the Roman Catholic view of original sin.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:41:39 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 4:36:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Whoa.  Let us be clear.  You have not been reading very carefully at all.  No one has stated that Christ was a sinner.  We have st

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:41:34 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hebrews 2:17 blows away Judy in the twinkling of an eye.   Hebrews 217   Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful h

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Judyt: Ideas and systems constructed by way of theological reasonings.   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:41:19 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 'theological construct' Just what is that?` - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
'theological construct' Just what is that? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 25, 2004 09:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin     On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:34:33 EDT

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:34:33 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 2:18:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:jt: On the cross John.  Christ was made to be sin for us who knew no sin. He took our place IOW he did not know sin before the cross

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Slade Henson
I've got the "secret" recipe for In and Out Burgers   I'll go look for it...   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 24 October, 2004 23.21To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Wha

RE: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding

2004-10-25 Thread Slade Henson
I use both Older and Newer when referring to the Testaments. What Testament did Paul, or anyone else at that time, have? They preached from it and brought others to faith with it...   Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAI

RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Jonathan Hughes
There is a reason that Jesus is spoken of as Everyman.  He as the new Adam represents far more than Himself.  If Jesus had a nature exactly like ours that does not make Him a sinner.  I am not sure why you can not differentiate between these two.  One is the possibility of being a sinner, t

RE: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Hebrews 2:17 blows away Judy in the twinkling of an eye.   Hebrews 2 17   Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.   Now

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
Funny you should say that 'cause he often speaks jabberwocky to me. However, since we both speak it` - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 25, 2004 08:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptoni

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Judyt: I've lost track of who said what but I could probably find it in the archives. If Christ had sin, then he was a sinner. If Christ had a nature exactly like ours this also makes him a sinner. You can't have it both ways.  Look at the writings of Job and what David says in Psalm 51. Both

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Judyt: That statement says it all Jonathan. Anyone with a sinful nature is by nature a sinner - unless you are talking jabberwocky.   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:35:43 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Whoa.  Let us be clear.  You have not been reading very carefully at a

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
Judyt Anyone born with a sin nature is a sinner by nature John. I'm not going to post the scripture because it doesn't seem to make a difference to you people.   On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:39:06 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/25/2004 3:58:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EM

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
The 'spirit' of exegetical, hermeneutical, theological, biblicist, linguistic etc. bondage hath visited thee thou woman of Virginia. Thou art is 'possession' of a private thesauras. Will you share it? (pretty please?)  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [E

RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Jesus Christ was not born a sinner.  No one has said that.  Are you a speechwriter for Bush?  The lies you continue to spew forth are almost believable.  Christ was born as a human; therefore Christ had a human nature.  Therefore Christ had a sinful nature.  This does not mean Christ was a

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 3:58:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judyt: Nor was he born a sinner. He resisted the lie and overcame by using the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God. None of us are. 

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 4:36:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whoa.  Let us be clear.  You have not been reading very carefully at all.  No one has stated that Christ was a sinner.  We have stated that Christ was human and had a sinful nature.  BUT Christ never sinned.

RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Whoa.  Let us be clear.  You have not been reading very carefully at all.  No one has stated that Christ was a sinner.  We have stated that Christ was human and had a sinful nature.  BUT Christ never sinned.   JBH   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 2:18:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the cross John.  Christ was made to be sin for us who knew no sin. He took our place IOW he did not know sin before the cross. He was not born with a sin nature and he did not succumb to any temptation dur

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:56:28 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judyt:It's the scriptural way of seeing things. You do not understand what I am about Jonathan and I did send a half page of pure unadulterated scripture with no commentary at all which validates that man is a spirit bein

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
'rather than the one assumed by the incarnation'???   Would you like to 'hear' (2 cd's) an Australian speak to this issue?   rom: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 25, 2004 06:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:22:32 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Temptation is a sinful appeal to our natural man, not our spiritual man.     Judyt: Temptation to sin is a spiritual issue John.  Before  temptations to the flesh of A&E (which were the lust of the flesh, the lust o

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 1:05:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judyt: It's the scriptural way of seeing things. You do not understand what I am about Jonathan and I did send a half page of pure unadulterated scripture with no commentary at all which validates that man i

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:10:04 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Meaning whizzing past your ears again, John? Those who state that Christ was a sinner because he came in the likeness of Man do not realize that He was not IDENTICAL with us because He was the M

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 12:43:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another acquaintance (I got a million of 'em) of mine is listening to Stern's translation. I'd recommend it. I recently purchased the commentary.   Good book  -- Jewish bias and all.   Very useful.   John

Re: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/25/2004 12:41:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For consideration: (1)A teacher acquaintance of mine refers to the "Older' Testament. I like that. (2)It is through the Incarnation of the Son of God that we could/should read this Older Testament.(3)In the

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
'understanding anthropology from a biblical perspective'...God is 'Spirit'; 'Scripture(?) is spiritual' 'We are spiritual' The obvious 'sticking point' for you, Judy, is THE INCARNATION. So many have written so much in an attempt to shed light on this for you yet, ..  - Origin

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:13:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Where is your response to SSS? Or is the speelling wrong? :-) Izzy -:)  --  the computer made the mistake; certainly not me.  J

Re: [TruthTalk] 4th Commandment

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:13:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me restate it: those who insisted on killing Paul were not Believers in messiah Yeshua. Izzy They were "professed" believers.   In the technical sense, your statement is true.   In terms of First Chur

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:13:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Meaning whizzing past your ears again, John? Those who state that Christ was a sinner because he came in the likeness of Man do not realize that He was not IDENTICAL with us because He was the Manifestation

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 9:47:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when did King James become a radical conservative? Moments before writing the Declaration of Independence. J

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:10:36 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I don't get it either, Judy. Why Primarily Spirit? Izzy   Judyt: Because God is Spirit and A&E were made "in His image"  Understanding anthropology from a Biblical perspective rather than try

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
So, there is a word (term) in Scripture. God put that there. I cited it, knowing what God meant. When you disagree with me therefore, you are disagreeing with God. Get it?   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Se

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:11:06 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Meaning what, exactly? Iz   Judyt: I think Slade is concerned about the separation of spirit, soul, and body but Paul who is a Hebrew of the Hebrews wrote about it so I have no problem with

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:09:15 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:18:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:How does God fellowship with the sinner and avoid fellowship with sin? Judyt: I wrote the above in response to a statement either you or Jo

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
Everyone who doesn't agree with my 'reading' of Scripture is 'twisting Scripture'. Such persons should consider themselves warned. The rest of you, wellcarry on doing what you're doing.   PS:Do a 'Google' for Historical Perspective:Plane hits Empire State Building. Did anyone see this ref

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:27:27 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the cross John.  Christ was made to be sin for us who knew no sin. He took our place IOW he did not know sin before the cross. He was not born with a sin nature and he did not succumb to any temptation during his ea

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
  Judyt: I don't recall writing your "myth" below Gary - Don't remember the exact words on [1] at all. [2] May be a remnant from Psalm 2 out of the Amplified Bible which I did post; the focus being how we should pay homage to (a loaded term) and kiss the son lest his wrath be kindled against

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-25 Thread Judy Taylor
  Jonathan writes:To sum it up for you: I call your brand of Christianity Gnostic for two reasons: 1)  You place primacy on the spiritual portion of the human.  You claim Adam and Eve were primarily spirit beings.  This is pure unadulterated Gnosticism.  It is not the Hebrew nor Christian way

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
Bye, bye miss american pie... - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 17:43 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election And this from a Texan cousin...   If any of this worries

Re: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
Oh ya? Ouch!   Chicken Licken' - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 20:23 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election In a message dated 10/24/2004 2:46:20 PM Pacific Daylight

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
Ya been eatin' too much 'Greek soup' as, on this occasion, a non-acquaintance of mine has said. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 23:11 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin Meaning wha

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks. - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 20:20 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin There is a simple explanation to the hair-splitting, Lance. People forget the Hebrew language and min

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
Another acquaintance (I got a million of 'em) of mine is listening to Stern's translation. I'd recommend it. - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 20:38 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin? D.Stern gave four

Re: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
For consideration: (1)A teacher acquaintance of mine refers to the "Older' Testament. I like that. (2)It is through the Incarnation of the Son of God that we could/should read this Older Testament.(3)In the light of this the 'gospel' can be faithfully preached using only the 'Older' Testamen

Re: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-25 Thread Lance Muir
Do some checking on:Saddam trading oil for Euro's and Peak Oil. - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 21:12 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election A friend of mine wrote me an email. I thought