Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 11:07:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Wright does not believe it came from Gamaliel." Then I would want to go with Wright -- or, before disagreeing with him, have my quackers in a row. I'm thrilled that you are enjoying Wright. He is definitely

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
"Wright does not believe it came from Gamaliel." Then I would want to go with Wright -- or, before disagreeing with him, have my quackers in a row. I'm thrilled that you are enjoying Wright. He is definitely the New Testament -- and especially Pauline -- scholar of record these days. Not eve

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 10:33:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: isthisquestionfromasemiticpointofvieworwestern consideringthedepthofgamalielsunderstandingof yeshuaandhisfollowersiwanttosayyesithinksobutof coursethatsbecauseiwanttohopegamalielwassaved insomethingresem

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 10:10:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: excusememrcommentatorwasthatsupposedtobesixorsexisitpossiblethattheoriginalauthormayhavemisspeeled somethingontheotherhandifitissexyouthwhydidinotknowofitinmyyouth jeffprayformeasiamgettingverynaughtywithth

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 9:54:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: youmightsaythatontheotherhanditsgreattoseethatsomeoneistryingtodeciphertextandfindmeaningto thejumblehoweverthisisnoteasyasihavetoperformmyownspellcheckthetranslatingisuptoyou jeff - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
:>) Me too. - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag isthisquestionfromasemiticpointofvieworwestern consideringthedepthofgamalielsunderstandingo

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
jeff in something of a normal mode. Izzy what evidence do you use to support your idea that Gamaliel rejected Yeshua? I cannot find it! If anything, Gamaliel supported Yeshua and the Way. jeff - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturd

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
isthisquestionfromasemiticpointofvieworwestern consideringthedepthofgamalielsunderstandingof yeshuaandhisfollowersiwanttosayyesithinksobutof coursethatsbecauseiwanttohopegamalielwassaved insomethingresemblingwhatwejointlyunderstand savedtomean jeffthewishfulphilosopher - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
excusememrcommentatorwasthatsupposedtobesixorsexisitpossiblethattheoriginalauthormayhavemisspeeled somethingontheotherhandifitissexyouthwhydidinotknowofitinmyyouth jeffprayformeasiamgettingverynaughtywiththis psbetteryetmaybesomeoneshouldgetoutthepaddleandspankme - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
izzyihaveaverywarpedsenseofhumorthatmaybethereasonforallthis ontheotherhandimaybetestingyalltoseewhohassomekindofskillat translatingdifficulttextsintothecommontonguewhileretaining theintentandcontextoftheoriginalshallinowbeginpostingingreek jeffthesickandtwistedhumorist - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
youmightsaythatontheotherhanditsgreattoseethatsomeoneistryingtodeciphertextandfindmeaningto thejumblehoweverthisisnoteasyasihavetoperformmyownspellcheckthetranslatingisuptoyou jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, D

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
"And do you want to talk about the courage of your convictions? Stand up in the Coliseum, as many a Christian did, and cry out "This is wrong," knowing that in the very act you will surely be the next to be fed to the lions. No! To love your enemy is not to rebel against his authority but to

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
David, I will forego answering your questions, as I am very willing to let you have the LAST word on this, a non-response from me being the only way I can see of that ever actually happening :>) I will clarify one point, however, and that is that I am not condemning Telemachus' actions, nor

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ttxpress
actually, it seems relativly minor, but certainly calld attn to a deadly scandal, to God in the real Temple (not made with hands) exertg His will at that time upon their closd 'temple' society   e.g.,  lookg at the primary 'legal evidnce' at JCs 'trial/s', they argud that he claimed the st

Re: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 8:44:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy seems to have been taught by the same teacher as I have on this subject of friendship.  I'm glad somebody on this forum understands me. Me too  -- otherwise you would be all alone.  By the way  -  your

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 7:58:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill writes: Yes, he was. The question, as I have come to see it, is, did he reject his Lord and Savior? I don't know. Where did Saul get his fervor? "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" Bill Wright

Re: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: David, I believe, is simply stating that he doesnât want you to agree with him (take his side) motivated by friendship. He wants you to stand for truth regardless of personalities. Itâs that simple. That means you should not expect to be rewarded by the person with whom you agreed, bu

Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 8:29:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Cool. Be sure to check out one of the earliest "Early Church Fathers," Barnabas.  :-) Who? J

Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread David Miller
John Smithson wrote: At least this line of logic (pure as it might be) offers the Smithmeister a reason, for the first time, to delve into the works of these "Fathers>" Cool. Be sure to check out one of the earliest "Early Church Fathers," Barnabas. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. ---

RE: [TruthTalk] Toward a (biblical) Unilateral Covenant

2004-12-04 Thread Slade Henson
I guess I missed the point. -Original Message-From: Slade HensonSent: Friday, 03 December, 2004 21.11Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Toward a (biblical) Unilateral Covenant Slade's paraphrase (with help from Aland and Stern): God shows no partiality: for those who-are-wi

RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Slade Henson
Original [Greekified] Text: Sixyouhavenosenseofhumorizzy. Translation: Six Youh Ave.: no[n]sense of Hum or Izzy. Commentary: Six Youh Ave: Quite naturally, the author is telling about the inhabitants of a specific location on some God-forsaken street in a city called Olymp

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread David Miller
Hi Bill.  Thanks for the informative response.  For the most part, I think we are in agreement.  There are a few areas where we differ, so here are some points of clarification:   1.  You never answered my question about whether the use of force is appropriate in the situation of protecting y

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
I'm at InnGlory going through the abbreviations, thinking someone needs to add one to the list, when out of the BLUE (get it? blue letters?) it hits me . . .   Never mind.   Bill - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread ttxpress
disregard--not sure how this got postd--sorry   On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:46:59 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HUH? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:11 PM Subje

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Slade Henson
I sure hope so. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag  Slade, Bill,  whoever  --  was Gamaliel saved?J

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
HUH? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down? ftr, i think the author prov   On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:58:46 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BT

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 7:30:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   The short answer, and key word here, is "was." Would you like the long(er) answer?   Bill Never mind my questioned response.   I missed the "Yes he was."   John

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
The short answer, and key word here, is "was." Would you like the long(er) answer?   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag   I know I’

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 7:26:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FTR, Re: Gen 15, i think the writr appears to 'break' more naturally at the end of verse 6; vs. 7, at least  up to vs. 17, seems to be of a literary piece, perhaps inc 18ff., as below   this means an argumnt

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread ttxpress
FTR, Re: Gen 15, i think the writr appears to 'break' more naturally at the end of verse 6; vs. 7, at least  up to vs. 17, seems to be of a literary piece, perhaps inc 18ff., as below   this means an argumnt for the unity of meanng in 1-6 and 7- 17, inc/not inc 18f., isn't out of the questi

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread ttxpress
ftr, i think the author prov   On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:58:46 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BT, The ensuing speculatg abt v. 17 (Gen 15), refd below, may be correct--it could be abt a unilatrl deal beyond litrl 'descendants'; howevr, the 'diaolog' in Gen 15:18 may have nothing to do w

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 7:03:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, he was. The question, as I have come to see it, is, did he reject his Lord and Savior? I don't know. Where did Saul get his fervor? "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"   Bill Now  - I do have a prob

Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
This notion that Paul writes in a narrative style as opposed to a theological systems view, could not be any other way.   At least as I think of it.   I mean, just imagine how a letter to Corinth or Ephesus may have come about  --  just from a practical view.  You can see Paul perhaps pacing back

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread ttxpress
ftr, i think the author prov   On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:58:46 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BT, The ensuing speculatg abt v. 17 (Gen 15), refd below, may be correct--it could be abt a unilatrl deal beyond litrl 'descendants'; howevr, the 'diaolog' in Gen 15:18 may have nothing to do w

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
  I know I’m going to regret asking the obvious question here, but Bill, how does one have the possibility of being “saved” if he has rejected his Lord and Savior? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004

[TruthTalk] Topless in the pews

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
From WorldNetDaily.com:   Church ladies go topless in pews Posted: December 4, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com In Battle Creek, Mich., 14 women of St. Thomas Episcopal Church – between ages 55 and 82 – actually bared their breasts to raise money for breast c

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread ttxpress
BT, The ensuing speculatg abt v. 17 (Gen 15), refd below, may be correct--it could be abt a unilatrl deal beyond litrl 'descendants'; howevr, the 'diaolog' in Gen 15:18 may have nothing to do with it--v.18 may be anothr 'deal' involvg just Abe's litrl 'descendants', a deal which is actually

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
Yes, he was. The question, as I have come to see it, is, did he reject his Lord and Savior? I don't know. Where did Saul get his fervor? "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"   Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday,

Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 6:57:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Perhaps because Farley looks a little like me."   Oh man, you've done it now! I will never get this image out of my head :>)   Bill  :-)   Tell me I fantasize !!    Plase !!! Johnny Boy

Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
"Perhaps because Farley looks a little like me."   Oh man, you've done it now! I will never get this image out of my head :>)   Bill   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tr

Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 6:40:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, the law of God is not sin.  The law is holy and good.  There is, however, a law of sin and death that works within our physical bodies.  That was what we were talking about when I was referring to the "T

RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sixyouhavenosenseofhumorizzy.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup   izzythanksfortheadviceithasbeennotedhoweverthishasnotb

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 6:02:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Slade, I fully agree with you. I am not sure how I failed to communicate this, but thank you for clearing it up. Each one of Jesus' teachings in the "Sermon" was first a transforming initiative, given not onl

Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
Smithson checks in with the favorite movie list: Black Rain  --  I have seen this perhaps 7 or 8 times. Jeremiah Johnson  --   actually my number one movie.   I identify with the character and    would prefer to live and die in the back woods of the high country.  Tommy Boy   --   Perhap

RE: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Wrong border, Jeff.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God   solancewouldthatmakegodawetbackpardonthesickhumorijustcannot

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 5:20:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:     Reading these emails of your, Jeff, is like reading the original texts of the Greek

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread David Miller
Marlin wrote: Do you think that the law is sin? No, the law of God is not sin. The law is holy and good. There is, however, a law of sin and death that works within our physical bodies. That was what we were talking about when I was referring to the "Torah of sin" using Slade's terminology.

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
Slade, I fully agree with you. I am not sure how I failed to communicate this, but thank you for clearing it up. Each one of Jesus' teachings in the "Sermon" was first a transforming initiative, given not only to intensify the effects of the Law (thank you, John) for those without ears to he

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Slade Henson
Very good post, Mr. Bill T.   I enjoy and share your understanding of the historical context. The however I have is not a however in disagreement but one of semantics. You say Yeshua was silent regarding angariaverit, but I say He did have a commentary on the subject: Go with him an extra m

Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
Alright, my favorite movies: Number 1 -- The Christmas Story. I've seen it a million times and still love it: the flag pole, the temperamental furnace, the Red Rider BB-gun, the soap, so much going on. Number 2 -- Sandlot. For a lot the same reasons. The swimming pool-mock-drowning scene is one of

RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Slade Henson
Reading these emails of your, Jeff, is like reading the original texts of the Greek Papyri... no punctuation or spaces. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff PowersSent: Saturday, 04 December, 2004 18.48To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]S

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ttxpress
no doubt, Bill (I've been catchin' up on some of your input); e.g., the hypd historcl rebellion of biblicl blessing-seekers simultaneously categorically cursing (castg out) the indigenous occupant-obstacles [as CPs '1667' doc (already 75 posts ago:) also enlightns..]   On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:

Re: [TruthTalk] Toward a (biblical) Unilateral Covenant

2004-12-04 Thread ttxpress
why America is not blessed:   On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:43:59 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..blessings are in Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
izzythanksfortheadviceithasbeennotedhoweverthishasnotbeenaproblem oneiliketobehonestfromthestarttwoifiwastotryinternetdatingiwoulnot changeathingthreeihavenoproblemgettingadatefourtakemeforwhoiam orsaygoodbyeitreallydoesnotmattertomeiseethebeautyinsidethecup nothingelseexceptgodmattersfivethatst

[TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Bill Taylor
David, you assert that Jesus' words in Matthew 5.39 ("But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also") do not apply in our discussion concerning submitting to governing authorities. I would like to point out to you (for the

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 2:42:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eHa  -- I's on a roll.   By the wave, years agao, while in my 30's, I had something to do with install many miles of sewer, strom drain and water.    JD whew  !!!   maybe I should slow down just a bit  !  

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 2:38:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: amenbrother eHa  -- I's on a roll.   By the wave, years agao, while in my 30's, I had something to do with install many miles of sewer, strom drain and water.    JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
andithoughtiwasnearlyalonethanksjohn jeff   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 23:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag In a message dated 12/3/2004 8:07:27 PM Pacific Standard Tim

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
amenbrother - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 22:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag In a message dated 12/3/2004 7:11:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
attaboyjohnafterbuildingwastewatersystemsfortwentyyears iveseenthesamething jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 22:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag In a message dated 12/3/20

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 2:04:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: J, you may well be in the practice of maligning the very people who do this type of thing. Izzy how so J Ask the Holy Spirit. You wrote it  -- the Holy Spirit doesn't even know.   I asked.   So

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
hemightbewewillknowintime jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 14:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag so you're ! the one (..currently seatd in Moses' seat) g>    On F

Re: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 1:55:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Linda Shields posts some thoughts not received by me except in this post from Lance.   Are you "pro-wife?"   Would you do nothing to provide and protect her and her honor?   Do you really think that my "pro

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?

2004-12-04 Thread Marlin Halverson
Do you think that the law is sin - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down? > David Miller wrote: > > I had asked in that post if Slade

Re: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
solancewouldthatmakegodawetbackpardonthesickhumorijustcannot helpittoday jeff - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 13:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God Happily, Jesus is 'pro-David'

RE: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy's nomination for Funniest Movie: "Dirty, Rotten Scoundrels" with Steve Martin.   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 12:10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am. That's why I'm saving the eight bucks. That's money better spent on... say...    Romans and the People of God N. T. Wright     (Since I can't find Romans in a Week)    What Saint Paul Really Said N. T

Re: [TruthTalk] Movie List!

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
thatsbecausekayhasnotasteinmoviesandstillmissesthesubtlehumorofthismovie formeilovethejewishunderpinningsofthenativesitsthefunniestmovieithinkieversaw thenilikpiratesofthecarribean1941shaneoldyellerandfiddlerontherooftonameafew jeff - Original Message - From: "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
    -Original Message- iamtattooedpiercedwithfiveearringsinoneearismokeenjoywineandbeeramdirtpoorandabitoverweight jeff   Jeff, that’s all fine and good with me, but take my advice and keep It to yourself when it comes to internet dating. J Iz

RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Your perception is amazing! :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup Let me guess: it's the 'being often wrong' upon whi

RE: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
  LOL! How so? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God   'Piling on' Ten yard penalty.Wait a sec that was agregious 'piling on' ma

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 3:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag   In a message dated 12/4/2004 11:40:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
    -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag   Autonomy? Individualism? Both are celebrated in your 'documents'. Neith

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Jeff Powers
thankyouverymuchdavidienjoyedthisgreatlyitsinterrestingthattheoutsides thatyoudescribedareveryrealtomeinfactyoursecondparagraphisaverygood descriptionofmeinallaspectsexceptthelonghairsowhatdoithinkofthispost bravomyfriendverywellwrittenandbythewayyoumightwanttobealittlemore explicitinthefutureithin

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, well.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag   Possible? Of course. Likely? I think not. - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
Let me guess: it's the 'being often wrong' upon which we agree? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 04, 2004 16:48 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup > Something upon which we can agree. :-) Iz > > -Origin

RE: [TruthTalk] American Indians

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
(Look who’s talking—Sir Lancelot himself.) J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] American Indians   Charm school? Are you kidding me? When it come

Re: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
'Piling on' Ten yard penalty.Wait a sec that was agregious 'piling on' make that 25 yards.  From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 04, 2004 16:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God Izzy in blue:   Of course I remember how the

RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
J (You’d hate my neighborhood! Try men with purses? I draw the line at the high heels, myself.) Iz   I could have bought the whole package, but you had to put in the guy with the ear ring. :-) Terry --

RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Something upon which we can agree. :-) Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup My initial response is to celebrate that w

RE: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy in blue:   Of course I remember how the Lord used you to defend me in a very similar misunderstanding involving other people.  However, if you were doing this because you were "pro-David Miller," that would have been an inappropriate motive.  Now you tell me !!   It is painf

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 12/4/2004 11:40:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: J, you may well be in the practice of maligning the very people who do this type of thing. Izzy how so J

RE: [TruthTalk] The Schizophrenic God

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
-Original Message- Our joy is seeing others prosper and getting out those wrinkles that they had always considered to be trivial and unimportant.   Peace be with you. David Miller.     Matt 23:8   "But (9) do not be called (10) Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
Possible? Of course. Likely? I think not. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 04, 2004 15:03 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag What if we are just more perceptive than you imagine, and both “read the

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
Yikes. I've been 'outed' (no play on words now). - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 04, 2004 15:09 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag Another unbeliever. J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
Autonomy? Individualism? Both are celebrated in your 'documents'. Neither is compatible with the gospel. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 04, 2004 15:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag > I think the basic a

Re: [TruthTalk] American Indians

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
Charm school? Are you kidding me? When it comes to this ya got everyone on TT beat hands down. Remember, Linda, I can read between lines. You are a charmer par excellent. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 04, 2004 15:00 S

Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
I believe the 'thrust' of this post had more to do with 'compassion fatigue' than with what you wrote on. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 04, 2004 15:02 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag I resigned f

RE: [TruthTalk] American Indians

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
No one hates David Miller more than g, I believe. This has never changed in the many years I have been on TT. You can always count on him to come out and strike at any opportunity. (He’s just about as fond of me.) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: I've been reflecting recently about our differing perspectives of one another here on TruthTalk. We have people on the list from various backgrounds. As many of you know, cleaning the outside of the cup is not as important as the inside of the cup. The Pharisees cleaned th

RE: [TruthTalk] American Indians

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks, Perry. This is one of the documents our family enjoys reading when we are blessed enough to be together over Thanksgiving. I also remember reading something by Lincoln. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent:

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
It’s a bargain to understand God’s plan in founding America (in which YOU reside.) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag  

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread Slade Henson
I am. That's why I'm saving the eight bucks. That's money better spent on... say... Romans and the People of God N. T. Wright (Since I can't find Romans in a Week) What Saint Paul Really Said N. T. Wright -- slade -Original Message- From: Lance Muir Are you unfamiliar

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Another unbeliever. J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag   Please allow me to back up and, take another run at this.The con

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
I think the basic argument here is not whether the Founders were all perfect Christians, but rather what was the intent of the Constitution and founding documents regarding God and Christianity. I believe that anyone who has read those documents w/o blinders on can see that they assumed that both w

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
What if we are just more perceptive than you imagine, and both “read the heart of the writer” and understand what his real underlying agenda is—and reject it? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:37 AM

RE: [TruthTalk] Trapped in the Flag

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
I resigned from the Salvation Army women’s auxiliary after they compromised in San Francisco on the gay issues.  I found it showed a basic flaw in what was most important to them; money over principle. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance M

Re: [TruthTalk] The role of religion in a secular society

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
Indeed, David, language is a blunt instrument.The word 'religion' is one worth spending some time on. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 03, 2004 23:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The role of religion in a secular society >

RE: [TruthTalk] American Indians

2004-12-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] American Indians   Do you remember which observation of mine you deemed to most perceptive I'd made on TT (something like 'only those who really 'get it do it')?  Keep that in mind vis a vis yourself and David Miller. You've both shared from your lives. Davi

Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

2004-12-04 Thread Lance Muir
My initial response is to celebrate that which is of the Spirit of God in these anecdotes. He knows. I don't. My secondary response: I have a 'sense' that you, David, are much occupied with the 'outside of the cup'.That's just me and, I am often wrong. - Original Message - From: "David

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