Thank you, Bill. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
9:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The right
way to get to the truth
Because you and your buddies treat him like
you in
-Original Message-
If not, then perhaps we should come to understand
that what the Scriptures mean by "believe" is not exactly the
same as what
many people mean when they say that they believe.
So how do you interpret the Bible kind of “believe”?
It certainly isn’t my
ever
Scientist do not concern themselves with
events that are truly unique.
For what it’s worth, John,
actually they sometimes do BECAUSE it’s unique. My husband
Is writing a paper on a
newborn with such an unusual combination of eye diseases
that it was entirely
unique. Other ophth
In a message dated 12/8/2004 7:30:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It simply means that I have a different
>perspective of the right kind of relationships and how they are forged.
>
>John Smithson in the not too distant past has expressed some idea that my
>life is characteri
In a message dated 12/8/2004 7:21:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Smithson wrote:
>>>One time occurrences are called anomalies,
>>>David, and are not part of a logical process ,
>>>by definition.
David Miller wrote:
>>Due to the nature and goals of inductive inferenc
Because you and your
buddies treat him like you intensely dislike him. Example:
Some people know how to disagree without being jerks in the process.
Izzy, please do not be so quick to think
poorly of me (us). I was careful in my wording not to be specific in any of my
statements. Tha
David, thanks for your response and for the candid nature in which you wrote
it. I will be preparing a reply; however not tonight, as I want to address
one of your points in detail. The wind is supposed to blow really hard
tomorrow; if it does, I will be home and can work on it then.
Bill
- O
An Act of Faith
December 8, 2004
Tonight's broadcast is different. In a way, it's not our traditional
approach to a story where we pick a topic, do the research, find the
storyline and then go talk to people on both sides of the issue. It's a
broadcast about faith. We look at one act of faith a
John Smithson wrote:
>>> One time occurrences are called anomalies,
>>> David, and are not part of a logical process ,
>>> by definition.
David Miller wrote:
>> Due to the nature and goals of inductive inference,
>> we want repeatable events, but that does not mean
>> that we are forced to ignore
Izzy wrote:
> Why do you not consider these sins as "intentional"?
> Could you try to define your definition again for me?
First, let me ask you if you recognize that sometimes the Scriptures use
words that differ slightly from our everyday understanding of the word being
used?
For example:
Mo
while some would fathom 'the light
and the heavy' some see wisdom in filterg knats (while swallowg a
camel)
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:37:12 -0500 "David Miller"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:>..I am..likely to discuss minute differences because that is what
>this forum is best suited for.
In a message dated 12/8/2004 3:15:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Smithson wrote:
>One time occurrences are called anomalies,
>David, and are not part of a logical process ,
>by definition.
I don't know why you think that that logical processes are forced to ignore
Looks like we agree on one thing, anyway. J Izzy
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Behalf Of Slade Henson
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
6:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Intentional sin
I don't have a fish sticker on our cars,
I'm not feeling bad, in fact I'm enjoying it! I
look to tt for a daily dose of nyuk-nyuks!
jeff
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
19:05
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is Truth always
rational?
J
Terry Clifton wrote:
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Terry, I
dare to have a Bush/Cheney
sticker on my car. But NO way will I put a fish symbol on it (JUST in
case!!!) I must give glory to God, however, that He has helped me have
a much
more loving attitude
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Terry, I
dare to have a Bush/Cheney
sticker on my car. But NO way will I put a fish symbol on it (JUST in
case!!!) I must give glory to God, however, that He has helped me have
a much
more loving attitude when I am driving these past few years since
I
don't have a fish sticker on our cars, either. But I DO have a Constitution
Party sticker on them
:))
Kay
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19.09To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]S
Terry, I dare to have a Bush/Cheney
sticker on my car. But NO way will I put a fish symbol on it (JUST in
case!!!) I must give glory to God, however, that He has helped me have a much
more loving attitude when I am driving these past few years since that
incident. (But, don’t EVER thre
Jeff, don’t feel bad. TruthTalk is a
fertile field of funnies. J Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
5:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth
always rational?
thanks Lan
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin
Izzy wrote:
> Do you consider losing your temper (like when I
> made a
John Smithson wrote:
> One time occurrences are called anomalies,
> David, and are not part of a logical process ,
> by definition.
I don't know why you think that that logical processes are forced to ignore
one time occurrences. Due to the nature and goals of inductive inference,
we want repe
thanks Lance, it seems lately I'm finding humor in
places and situations that only a year ago I found none! Recovery is
coming along nicely! (don't ask, please)
jeff
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
Izzy wrote:
> Do you consider losing your temper (like when I
> made a very rude gesture to the hulking garbage
> truck driver threatening to run over my little car
> with me inside it!) as an "intentional sin" which
> will send me to hell?
No.
Izzy wrote:
> I can't count all the times I've "lost
David Miller wrote:
>> It certainly seems that theological agreement
>> plays a very important relationship role to guys
>> like you and John Smithson.
John Smithson wrote:
> You are the one who uses words like "blasphemous"
> when faced with disagreement in matters theological,
> David -- not m
relativ to the
thred, what exegetical 'data' (in th sens of Slades cncpt,
below) both supports and reconciles the underlnd commnts,
ff(?):
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:51:44 -0500 "Jeff Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
||
It is through Abraham that God promises to bless all of
man
I hope she doesn't have a fish on her vehicle. Bad witness, real bad.
Not Christlike at all... but then, she already knows that.
Terry
Slade Henson wrote:
I've heard President Bush has done the same
thing:)
Kay
-Original Message-
From: [EMA
In a message dated 12/7/2004 10:08:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To characterize God as irrational and illogical would be wrong.
Certainly it would. Would you want to return to what I said? If not -- no problem.
J
Slade wrote:
> Can you name an Evolutionist who is not a rationalist?
No, but there are Creationists who are rationalists. That was my point.
The theory of Creation is not inherently illogical just because it invokes a
Creator as the prime mover. The theory of Creation might originate in
reve
WR-I trust that you are jesting. If you are not
then, you esteem David's thoughts on this matter too highly. David, might one
even get an Amen from you on this?
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 08, 2004 11:03
Subject: RE:
Dave Hansen..read more books..provoke more study..stylistically (more
appropriate). DM:Which books? Study in what area(s).
Dave Hansen:Please accept an open invitation by the founder of TT for more
frequent and extensive participation.
- Original Message -
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL P
I guess I’m in good company. J
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Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
10:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Intentional sin
I've heard President Bush has
done the same thing:)
I've
heard President Bush has done the same thing:)
Kay
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ShieldsFamilySent: Wednesday, 08 December, 2004
11.04To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] Intentional sin
-Original Message-
If you take out what you wrote in parentheses (by whatever definition),
my
answer would be yes. The definition of "intentional sin" is
important.
Do you consider losing your temper (like
when I made a very rude gesture to the hulking garbage truck d
-Original Message-
Although his participation has been somewhat limited in recent times,
perhaps we should look to Dave Hansen as an example of how to
communicate
via this forum. :-)
--
I respectfully agree. ;-) Izzy
Izzy wrote:
> David, do you believe that if someone commits
> an intentional sin (by whatever definition) after
> being saved that they are going to hell?
If you take out what you wrote in parentheses (by whatever definition), my
answer would be yes. The definition of "intentional sin" is import
In a message dated 12/8/2004 7:38:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I strongly
believe that I have a duty to seek the honor that comes from God alone and
not the honor that comes from men.
One can have both. We are talking about the community of the Disciple. Me, person
In a message dated 12/8/2004 6:02:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is in response to the thread regarding logic, rationality, and rationalism. I have started a new thread in case people want to continue with the original. After reading this thread for the past week I
Bill Taylor wrote:
> David, quite often people say things with which I disagree,
> but I do not take issue with them on every occasion that
> this happens.
Same here. I walk by this rule. On this forum, however, I am more likely
to discuss minute differences because that is what this forum is b
Humour you say? May I suggest:Two by Donald Miller
for laughs o'plenty: 'Blue Like Jazz & Searching for God Knows
What'.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 08, 2004 10:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Truth always
r
In a message dated 12/8/2004 2:30:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
2002 Silverado, fact? myth John-boy! the bank owns the lions share!
Sorry John, I feel like cracking up! I'm finding humor in the strangest
places! jeff
Ahhh, yes. Dang !!! But that illustrates exactl
In a message dated 12/8/2004 2:08:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Suggestions for reading(author's names only) reflecting two approaches:
EVIDENTIALISM: Josh McDowell, Ravi Zacharias, Lee Strobel, Os Guinness (likely)(a sampling)
NON-EVIDENTIALISM:Leo Tolstoy (+many GOO
NWR
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 08, 2004 09:12
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The right way to
get to the truth
Perhaps you could
send one to TT?
I thought that's why you were
NWR
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 08, 2004 08:51
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The right way to
get to the truth
Only evil people.
Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On B
NWR
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 08, 2004 08:57
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The land of the
easily offended.
Not those walking in
love. Love is patient, love is kind and is not
jealous; love does not br
Perhaps you could send one to TT?
I thought that's why you were here. It is why I am here
:>) Do you think we must be disagreeable when we disagree?
Of course not. So why is it happening, do
you think???
Because you don’t like him. (duh!)
Iz
I
It seems to me that the more worldy and
selfish “stuff” a person has in the way, the more contortions one must go
through to bring him the truth. Little children just receive Jesus. Their
little spirits are so pure, there is nothing between their hearts and His. Izzy
Can
Funny, I laid in bed thinking about this
very topic this morning…counting down to His glorious return!!! J Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
6:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The understatement of the year.
Pride/ego/self-importanceabout S-E-L-F. This is not the same as
defending another person, or God from evil slanders. It’s “all
about me”-ism. Izzy
After much thought,
I suspect that most people are offended because of pride. Saint Ter
Obviously not if one wishes to comply with
God’s word. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
4:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Unilateral covenant
Just a 'thought experiment'
Not those walking in love. “Love
is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not
arrogant,
does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account
a wrong suffered…”
Izzy
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAI
Only evil people. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
3:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The right
way to get to the truth
KNOW and LIKE are the operative words here.One mig
Perhaps
you could send one to TT?
I thought that's why you were here. It is why I am
here :>) Do you think we must be disagreeable when we disagree?
Because
you dont like him. (duh!) Iz
I doubt if even David would agree with your logic
on this one: to know him is to like him. He has
-Original Message-
If you have nothing to say - please don't fake it.
It’s
just for those who have ears to hear, JD. Izzy
This is in response to the thread
regarding logic, rationality, and rationalism. I have started a new thread in
case people want to continue with the original. After reading this thread for the
past week I am convinced that what we really need to be speaking of is
revelation or the concep
Cannot really nail it down to a specific date, but sometime in the
first half of September, 2006.
Terry
Lance Muir wrote:
Thanks for your response. You said
'this lifetime'. Please enlarge upon this.
-
Original Message -
From:
Jeff
Powers
To:
[EMAI
Lance Muir wrote:
MOST are easily offended. I spoke
with a man yesterday who claimed not to be. I believed him. Even, if
not especially, within the 'believing' community I have found this to
be so.(THIS being: most are easily offended). I responded to a question
put to me (also yes
Thanks for your response. You said 'this lifetime'.
Please enlarge upon this.
- Original Message -
From:
Jeff
Powers
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 08, 2004 05:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unilateral
covenant
No Lance, that would be impossible, God wo
No Lance, that would be impossible, God would not have
blessed His chosen people had they taken matters into their own hands.
God, in the first draft (Abrahamic Covenant) promised that the land would be
theirs. Look at Abrahams examples of taking things into his own hands, Eliazer
could not
2002 Silverado, fact? myth John-boy! the bank owns the
lions share!
Sorry John, I feel like cracking up! I'm finding humor
in the strangest
places! jeff
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From:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004
22:25
Just a 'thought experiment':Have any ever come
accross the notion, 'sacred space'? Might Israel, prior to the 1948 decision
just as well accepted the suggestion to relocate in either Africa or South
America and accomplished the same thing God wanted for them?.
- Original Message -
Suggestions for reading(author's names
only) reflecting two approaches:
EVIDENTIALISM: Josh McDowell, Ravi Zacharias, Lee
Strobel, Os Guinness (likely)(a sampling)
NON-EVIDENTIALISM:Leo Tolstoy (+many
GOOD novelists), Lesslie Newbigin, Michael Polanyi, Frederick Buechner,
Robert Farrar Cap
'I thought you were being profound.' Another
favourite movie of mine "Being There' starring Peter Sellers (his last I
think).
The whole thing is based on seeing 'profundity'
where it isn't.
Anyone else ever see it?
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From:
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To: [EMAIL
MOST are easily offended. I spoke with a man
yesterday who claimed not to be. I believed him. Even, if not especially, within
the 'believing' community I have found this to be so.(THIS being: most are
easily offended). I responded to a question put to me (also yesterday) by a
collegue. After
KNOW and LIKE are the operative words here.One
might construct any number of permutations usings these two words with respect
to another person. One possible permutation is 'I know him and, I don't like
him.' Let me put this in the form of a question to you, Linda:Is there anyone
that you be
In a message dated 12/8/2004 12:46:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(Sorry, John, but I couldnât copy it due to the photo.) Izzy
That's ok -- thank you for thinking of me, anyway.
John
In a message dated 12/7/2004 11:16:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Because you donât like him. (duh!) Iz
-Original Message-
I don't get it, David: What is it that would make
you think we don't know you?
If you have nothing to say - please don't fake it.
In a message dated 12/7/2004 9:46:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thatâs âex cathedraâ.
I no longer know if your speaking ex-cathedral or not.
A play on words my dear. The grand but empty verses the fantasy of divine appointment -- either works, I suppose.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/001/2.20.html
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