RE: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
chas·ten    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (chsn) tr.v. chas·tened, chas·ten·ing, chas·tens To correct by punishment or reproof; take to task. To restrain; subdue: chasten a proud spirit. To rid of excess; refine or purify: chasten a careless writing style.

RE: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Silly Izzy, don't you know Chasten does not mean ChastenShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: chas·ten    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (chsn)tr.v. chas·tened, chas·ten·ing, chas·tens To correct by punishment or reproof; take to task. To restrain; subdue: chasten a proud spirit. To

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread Terry Clifton
I take it, John, that you are saying that God allowed this storm but did not cause it.  He knew it would happen but did not design it to punish sinners.  We discussed that in home church last night and feelings were mixed.  God is omniscient, so there is no argument that He knew what would ha

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread Lance Muir
God is: (1) omnipotent (2) omniscient THIS, IMO, is theological speculation of the first order.  Start small: (1) genetic/contingent - does God cause tooth decay, male pattern baldness, deficincies in hearing/seeing, high blood pressure, overweight, etc. etc.  - Original Message -

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread knpraise
  Wrong dictionary,  Linda.   This "chantening" comes from a Greek word that speaks to "the opportunity to learn"   or "to receive training  -  correction in that sense;   as one would train an athlete."     In Hebrews 12:3, Jesus is receiving this same correction.   It was hardly "punishment" in

RE: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, aging and sickness and physical imperfection is a product of the fall (sin in the world), not a product of God’s omnipotence.  iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 6:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.inngl

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread knpraise
  Thanks for your response.    What I am saying is this:  the "chastening" of Hebrews 12 has nothing to do with punishment.  What happened to Job is not quite same  -  but in Job's case, God allowed the circumstance to continue.   And, although it is not commonly taught,   Job did learn some very

RE: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
What the Bible says about God’s chastening:  Deut 8: 5Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.  6Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.  19And it sha

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread Lance Muir
So then, what do we make of 'God's timing' as to sickness & death as opposed to the part we play in it? I refer to those who do not attend to their own well being and, thereby shorten their own lives. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

RE: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
I don’t believe that is God’s timing when people shorten their own lives.  Not everything that happens is God’s will.  He doesn’t will sin, cancer in children, or any of the obvious “wrongs” of the world—even we who are sinful know those things are wrong, including death.  My husband observ

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread Lance Muir
This 'conversation', in a previous incarnation, was split. Some thought other than you've outlined. I'm much inclined to agree with what you've said herein. Sin is irrational (read stupid) just like us, IMO. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.inngl

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: This 'conversation', in a previous incarnation, was split. Some thought other than you've outlined. I'm much inclined to agree with what you've said herein. Sin is irrational (read stupid) just like us, IMO. ===

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread Judith H Taylor
No.  Sin causes every one of these .. and sin is passed down generationally; they are curses, not blessings.  jt   On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:54:54 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: God is: (1) omnipotent (2) omniscient THIS, IMO, is theological speculation of the first order.  S

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: WorldNetDaily Is Israel sitting on enormous oil reserve]

2005-09-21 Thread Terry Clifton
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Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread ttxpress
here's some truth talk for you: sugars and salts cause tooth decay which means in this writer's view, below, eating is sinful, a curse, certainly not a blessing..i bet, like g bush, this writer doesn't like fat people..it has to do with 'chastening' them, too, where chastening equates to 'le

[TruthTalk] FW: The foundation that determines your thinking counts

2005-09-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
hi...from a friend in lake jackson,tx,very near the coast and galveston,tx...d -- Forwarded Message -- Since it appears in the next couple of days we too on the gulf coast will be tested, maybe even in a greater way than New Orleans, it is time to gather our thoughts and

RE: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
  ROFL  I think I’ll send this one to Rush! J .i bet, like g bush, this writer doesn't like fat people.. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

2005-09-21 Thread knpraise
Sin causes tooth decay?   Male pattern baldness?   I have seen you make this claim before.   Especially the part about sin being passed down "generationally."   Do you have a biblical argument for this?  If so, could you lay it out for us?  I am curious if any of your buds believe this, as well  -

Re: [TruthTalk] dualism and the Christian experience

2005-09-21 Thread knpraise
  To whomever:   I read theological presentations with the hope of coming across some "gem" of an idea that is grounded in the bibilical message.    It is for this reason that I do not read fiction.    I am about half way through the Mediation of Christ.   Because of some of the comments of the a

Re: [TruthTalk] dualism and the Christian experience

2005-09-21 Thread knpraise
    One additional thought.  With regard to our pursuit of the Living Christ,  which came first   --  bias or revelation?  Almost a redundant question.    The point?    If personal bias predates our Christ experience,  it would seem apparent that as we draw closer and closer to the personal reali