RE: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------

[ShieldsFamily]

I don’t believe that is God’s timing when people shorten their own lives.  Not everything that happens is God’s will.  He doesn’t will sin, cancer in children, or any of the obvious “wrongs” of the world—even we who are sinful know those things are wrong, including death.  My husband observed just the other day that everyone can see that death is wrong; it was never God’s plan for His creation.  There is God’s best, and there is Man’s sin.  They are not the same thing.  God does not overrule Man’s freedom to choose death.  He just warns us of the consequences.  IMO.  Izzy   Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:17 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------   So then, what do we make of 'God's timing' as to sickness & death as opposed to the part we play in it? I refer to those who do not attend to their own well being and, thereby shorten their own lives. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 21, 2005 09:16 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------   Lance, aging and sickness and physical imperfection is a product of the fall (sin in the world), not a product of God’s omnipotence.  iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 6:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------   God is: (1) omnipotent (2) omniscient THIS, IMO, is theological speculation of the first order.  Start small: (1) genetic/contingent - does God cause tooth decay, male pattern baldness, deficincies in hearing/seeing, high blood pressure, overweight, etc. etc.  ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 21, 2005 08:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ----- the chastening of the Lord -------   I take it, John, that you are saying that God allowed this storm but did not cause it.  He knew it would happen but did not design it to punish sinners.  We discussed that in home church last night and feelings were mixed.  God is omniscient, so there is no argument that He knew what would happen.  God is omnipotent, so He could have stopped it or altered the course.  Why did He not do that?  Anyone's guess.  I suspect that there was not enough prayer by righteous people for a starter.  Could be that He has set the forces of nature long ago and programmed them to do certain things at certain seasons, and sees better reasons for letting nature run it's course than for interfering.  I heard one preacher say that if God directed the storm to punish gangs and casinos and rampant sin then you also have to blame God for the churches in that area that were leveled.  His feeling, evidently was that God would never deliberately destroy a church.  Someone in our group suggested that maybe those churches were luke warm and needed destroying, but that was just a possibility. I have no firm opinion either way, but Izzy gave a verse the other day in something she sent that sticks in my mind.  Amos 3:6 where the prophet asks, "If there is calamity in a city, is it not God's doing?" Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:     I was reading in Hebrews 12 and it occurred to me that "chastening" as in "the chastening of the Lord" is not about God providing events to do the work of slapping his children around and getting them to walk a tight line.   Rather, "chastening" is more rooted in Romans 8:28 and the revelation that God works all things for the good.    Stuff happens.   God uses it to teach lessons.     The storms in the Gulf Coast are not about an angry God teaching His people a lesson.  Rather,  it is about a loving Father who sits down with His children and says,  "Now,  what lessons can we learn from this disgusting disaster?"      Look to Hebrews 12:3.   This passage on "chantening" begins with chastening of Christ at the hands of sinners.   God did not author this event  --  He used it ------- for the good of His eternal Son and  for us all.   When bad things happens,   it is our call --  per passages such as Heb 12  -   to look for the benefit as we partner with a loving heavenly Father.     "Chastening"  is not the bad that comes our way but what we make of that bad circumstance.   When we learn this lesson,  we begin to be partakers of His holiness  (12:10).    If there is a lesson in those storms on the Gulf Coast, it is a lesson for those who are in partnership with Him    --------------------    not for the pagan minded.    Just a thought.     JD