[TruthTalk] Judy asks Lance

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
WHY AREN'T YOU JUST AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE HERETIC HUNTERS AS YOU ARE ABOUT THE OCCULTIC TYPE FANTASY FOLK?   Lance answers Judy   I am MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HERETIC HUNTERS as the latter are not heretics, Judy.   Lance ansks himself: Who are the HERETIC HUNTERS?   Lance answers himse

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2005-12-08 Thread Terry Clifton
I truly wish you could see this ,Dave, because it is important to our understanding. The tree was there for a reason.  God could have programmed every creature to behave exactly as He wanted them to, but He did not.  He even gave angels a choice.  He wants us to come to Him out of love, just as

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance's Opinion - My problem???

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Bottom line Lance is Jesus' criteria for knowing the Truth (Himself) is When we abide in Him and HIS WORDS abide in us - is when we will know the Truth and the truth will make us free .   Rather than when we know a little bit about Him and mix it with pagan folklore and mystery religions

Re: [TruthTalk] Why is it that those people who profess participation, by adoption through Christ in God's family...

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is not that He can not do. It is that he will not do.     God does not speak thru profane persons such as Cain & Esau. In fact he calls them names as in "PROFANE" Though he cried Esau was REJECTED!  details in the HOLY BIBLE Nobody is railing against the grace of God. God offered his gr

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2005-12-08 Thread Terry Clifton
I won't speculate, Dave, but I should point out that monkeys and horses do not have a soul. == Dave Hansen wrote: He knew they would sin.  He did not plan for them to fall.  He planned a remedy for the fall.  Big difference.

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance's Opinion - My problem???

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance I don't make your opinions my problem so why is what I write your problem? You won't ever have to answer to anyone for it.  I am responsible for what I speak/write. Why arn't you just as concerned about the heretic hunters as you are about the occultic type fantasy folk?  jt     On Thu,

Re: [TruthTalk] To Lance who is ever seeking the perfect person

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:42:37 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Even the one 'infallible interpreter' on TT has taken issue with your Scriptural interpretation(s) on occasion(s). Many have taken exception to your non-personalist hermeneutic.   What in the world is thi

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
So there was NO Autumn Equinox in 1824? 1825? 1826? 1827? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb:  Not only was your author wrong as to the ruler of Capricorn, he implies that the autumn equinox falls on the 22 of September every year of the four years Joseph Smith went to the hill to meet with th

[TruthTalk] IDIOT, JEW PUNK???????????????

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Please explain? Who called who this?

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
Apparently he does not see it. He is unable to DEAL with issues & only attacks PEOPLE who raise issues.   So don't let it get to you. Just be glad he has not yet called you a IDIOT, JEW PUNK etc. When he calls someone a name it is only "designed to help" them! Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [TruthTalk] ATTENTION MODERATOR(s) We do have two (2) of them don't we?

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Judy: You made it YOUR problem when you stated that he did not know the Lord. (I don't think you even employed an IMO). Why not, at the very least, give us an "IMO'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.

[TruthTalk] For an INERRANTIST y'all are ERRANT (IMO - whew!) in your interpretations, Judy

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Even the one 'infallible interpreter' on TT has taken issue with your Scriptural interpretation(s) on occasion(s). Many have taken exception to your non-personalist hermeneutic. Many take exception to your sacred/secular dichotomy. Many take exception over your dualism/gnosticism. Many take

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
WOW you know a lot about that stuff are you an OCCULTIST?   What was with the sacrifice of a Black sheep?   The Author is D M Quinn He is a commited Mormon. He is a Professor at BYU from the publisher:In this ground-breaking book, D. Michael Quinn masterfully reconstructs an earlier age, fi

Re: [TruthTalk] What is it with this PERSONALIZE PROBLEM?

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
OK - You go first   On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:32:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Are the PERSONS on TT suggesting that that which they say is not embodied truth? J ust say so so that we may factor that in when reading you.  

Re: [TruthTalk] ATTENTION MODERATOR(s) We do have two (2) of them don't we?

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
That is not my problem (what you think); it is entirely between you and the one you serve. My responsibility is to walk in good conscience toward the Lord and others.   On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:30:48 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Honestly Judy, just SOMETIMES!   Now, back

Re: [TruthTalk] There he goes again

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
Your games don't work with people who actually think and walk upright at the same time.      You are playing games THIRD REQUEST Show us where I called CSL "EVIL" Show us the substance of the problem with what I posted.   Or STOP Putting your FALSE ALLEGATIONS in my mouth! This is the only w

[TruthTalk] What is it with this PERSONALIZE PROBLEM?

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Are the PERSONS on TT suggesting that that which they say is not embodied truth? Just say so so that we may factor that in when reading you.

Re: [TruthTalk] ATTENTION MODERATOR(s) We do have two (2) of them don't we?

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Honestly Judy, just SOMETIMES!   Now, back to the matter at hand; IFF you are wrong concerning JRRT & CSL (according to some on TT) then, what are we to think concerning that which we read of you hereafter? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglo

Re: [TruthTalk] ATTENTION MODERATOR(s) We do have two (2) of them don't we?

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Are you up to being able to separate the holy from the profane yourself Lance?     On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:17:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Quoting Judy Taylor: He (God) says that only those who know how to separate the holy from the profane can be his mouthpieces. Th

Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?

2005-12-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
Again you choose to personalize? Are you attacking my caracter?   Why would God allow a "Devil" into heaven?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:40:57 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [Truth

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Needs to Check Archives

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance, it may be wise for you to check the archives before making these wild accusations. It's not me doing the painting.  It is you who have me in a corner of your mind labelled "fundamentalist" And you ascribe to me all of the beliefs in your "fundamentalist" card file.  As per the issue

[TruthTalk] ATTENTION MODERATOR(s) We do have two (2) of them don't we?

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Quoting Judy Taylor: He (God) says that only those who know how to separate the holy from the profane can be his mouthpieces. They (JRRTY & CSL) were not speaking for Him (God).   IMO JUDY YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SEPARATE THE HOLY FROM THE PROFANE! Applying the same logic to you as you applied

Re: [TruthTalk] WATCH BELOW AS JUDY ASSISTS LANCE IN THE ART OF INTERPRETATION

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
OK Judy! Having painted yourself in a corner, just make yourself comfortable. I'll watch your posts in future for use of the word 'HELL'.   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 0

Re: [TruthTalk] WATCH BELOW AS JUDY ASSISTS LANCE IN THE ART OF INTERPRETATION

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:44:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy said'For the record, I don't believe that C. S. Lewis actually knew the Lord'   Lance, having made an incorrect leap in logic,due to a  belief that Judy believed that persons who die while not knowin

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
I don't eat rabbit. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 08, 2005 06:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down How would you know how DavidM loves his wife Lance

[TruthTalk] WATCH BELOW AS JUDY ASSISTS LANCE IN THE ART OF INTERPRETATION

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Judy said'For the record, I don't believe that C. S. Lewis actually knew the Lord'   Lance, having made an incorrect leap in logic,due to a  belief that Judy believed that persons who die while not knowing the Lord (Lewis is dead), go to hell, thought she'd so consigned him. I suspect that t

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
How would you know how DavidM loves his wife Lance?  Isn't this putting your opinion out there a bit? I don't think he has shared his whole mind on this matter exhaustively - do you?  Also his priorities are definitely not mainstream.  So why is he the subject here?     On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy says:'FOR THE RECORD I DON't believe csl actually knew the Lord

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Yes Lance, I do appreciate your concern But I have yet to consign the first person to hell - it's all in your too vivid imagination.   On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:19:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Your DISCERNMENT ON THIS MATTER (who knows, maybe a few other matters also) is

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
My rather ill-formed point Judy, had more to do with David's errant 'take' and the male/female thingy. He and, others who espouse such errant thinking/teaching are somewhat accountable for the very issues they rail against. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: Tru

[TruthTalk] Judy says:'FOR THE RECORD I DON't believe csl actually knew the Lord

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Your DISCERNMENT ON THIS MATTER (who knows, maybe a few other matters also) is wide of the mark. I've occasionally drawn a comparison between yourself and David Miller on this discernment thingy, Judy. Do take care won't you, Judy, in consigning persons to Hell? 

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Your fault if you don't know her mother's name Lance. David has mentioned it on TT before. I know it. Also why would they be talking about her when they are so ridiculed and maligned?  I don't notice you saying a whole lot about your wife on this list either and I certainly would not know her

Re: [TruthTalk] On employing the words OF GOD without the WORD OF GOD

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance why don't you trying employing the "words of God" with the WORD OF GOD sometime and give us an example of the "real thing" IYO of course.  jt   On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:41:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: IFF one (mis)cites Scripture with the intention of speaking for

Re: [TruthTalk] Why is it that those people who profess participation, by adoption through Christ in God's family...

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance my goodness, this looks more like a morning rant than morning musings ... sigh!   On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:30:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Forever rail against the graciousness of this selfsame God?   Who is railing?  Taking His Own Words seriously is hardly

[TruthTalk] DAVE HANSEN

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
It may have been the 'lost in the suffle thingy, Dave. Did you not see my specific questions concerning your clarification re:A&E from a distinctly Mormon perspective. I GENUINE BELIEVE THAT SOME ON TT MAY BE UNAWARE JUST HOW DIFFERENTLY YOU VIEW 'god's lineage'!! I'm not suggesting deceptio

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Perhaps when her mind and the MIND OF GOD are more in sinc; having built upon this foundation layed for her by her mom (someone almost never mentioned by either her or her dad..strangely) she will then be spoken to more frequently as Christine and, not David's daughter. (I'd mention you mom'

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2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
DaveH writes:     FWIW.While it may be noble to want to keep one's children pure and innocent, a loving parent who overly protects their children will end up with kids acutely susceptible to the ills of the world.    Not necessarily; being over protective through fear is one thing.  Teac

[TruthTalk] On employing the words OF GOD without the WORD OF GOD

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
IFF one (mis)cites Scripture with the intention of speaking for God, what is it that one has done?   Perhaps one who only/always cites/interprets without error can enlighten us?

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2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
When all of us stand before God at the great white throne judgment... we have to know where we failed.  Noone will have grounds to accuse Him of being unloving or unjust because we will have condemned ourselves and we will know this without anyone having to tell us...  So the test is for us

[TruthTalk] Why is it that those people who profess participation, by adoption through Christ in God's family...

2005-12-08 Thread Lance Muir
Forever rail against the graciousness of this selfsame God?   Judy & Kevin wish to inform us what God can't do through Lewis & Tolkien (in print or on film). Y'all ought to read Linda Shield's observations. Amen Linda!   David, Christine, Judy and Linda rail against feminism, absolving the b

Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Taylor
I sure don't wonder at this Christine, Whenever you post JD makes allusions to your age, like he is the old man full of wisdom and you are just the novice who still has to learn; do you sometimes feel like you are being diss'd?   On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:11:05 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller <[EMAIL

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