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2005-04-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/21/2005 5:20:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: he little Greek word âeisâ is translated in the New Testament in the following ways and number of times: âagainstâ 25, âamongâ 16, âatâ 20, âforâ 91, âinâ 131, âintoâ 571, âthatâ 30, âonâ 57, âtoâ 282, âtoward

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
on this one -- so til next time, Bill     - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Many Hebrew words have many meanings. There is latitude in the g

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
tranger doth not intermeddle with his joy. KJV Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. - Original Mes

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
RD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesd

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 21, 2005 12:32 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation   Do you see this Kevin? I guess we are too ignorant to know these things without a smart and scholarly mediator  Sure can&

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
s interpret Scripture, vis a vis the 'soul' you are COMPLETELY GREEK IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING. Can I get an AMEN? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 08:33 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - S

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Are you saying that everyone in Virginia makes Bible doctrines out of one verse Lance?  jt   On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:43:44 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Everyone living in Virginia has been influenced by Augustine! From: Judy Tayl

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
thTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 21, 2005 13:04 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Are you saying that everyone in Virginia makes Bible doctrines out of one verse Lance?  jt   On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:43:44 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Everyone livin

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation It says "soul" it means "soul" that is not

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Bill Taylor
ail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Many Hebrew words have many meanings. There is latitude in the greek also. See the usage of different words for love and the "inconsistent" usage.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
OK so you are the KING![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/21/2005 4:24:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In order for the scholar to fix the "problem" he must first create of "find" a problem. Then he can present himself as thye answer to that problem.  What was that

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
As you may know,  "precise" really isn't a good word in this context.  But wasn't it you, Deegan, who was arguing AGAINST the "precise" commentary for these two words?    Of course it was    ---    so now,  are we changing course in the middle of the stream, just to continue the argument.    If you

[TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Yes you did miss the point JD.  You wrote "The first sentence reveals a continuing need to exhalt yourself at the expence of others.  The second sentence show that you have little grasp on reality.  Have a good evening"  I think your comment about his character was in another post but in th

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2005-04-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/21/2005 5:26:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judging doctrine is acceptable JD, in fact it is a whole lot more acceptable than character assassination So when you say that we are in the accusers hand  --  that is acceptable?  I criticized David  --

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Judging doctrine is acceptable JD, in fact it is a whole lot more acceptable than character assassination In fact we are exhorted to do this if we are to be "more honorable" (as the Bereans). Life is short and the days are evil - why not quote Jesus and His Word and spend the majority of our

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/21/2005 4:24:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In order for the scholar to fix the "problem" he must first create of "find" a problem. Then he can present himself as thye answer to that problem.   What was that word  --   t y p o ?   Doe

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/21/2005 4:20:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or the Greek word  phileo¯ or agapao¯! So the words are Imprecise and that is why we need scholars to be the high priests of Gods words to threw us a scrap once in a while. Without scholars, you wouldn't h

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/21/2005 4:14:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For instance a water dog says water equals baptism so he may read scripture "thus by the washing of the water (baptism) of the word (Jesus)" We have better processing equipment than some give credit. See the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation But what would and does any of this prove? Originally my point was that this Jeeves fellow calls ppl "souls" when scripture quite obviou

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Why did you choose all of your examples in the OT Bill when it is in the NT that the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
st in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Wh

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
t make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
Been on TT this evening for about an hour.   Nothing from the right except Trash Talk and Miller's attempt at asserting his Prophetic powers.   Nothing of substance.   Until I got to one of Deb's post   ---    and then again, brother Taylor's.   One side major in NO NO NO  --

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 10:52:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You might try listing ALL that overwhelming scriptural support for your private doctrine Done that.   In spades.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 7:15:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where does he say "good"?   On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:09:26 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/20/2005 5:47:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, you are probably the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Why did you choose all of your examples in the OT Bill wh

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Bill Taylor
alk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Why did you choose all of your examples in the OT Bill when it is in the NT that the triunity of man is spelled out clearly?   jt   On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:19

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation It says "soul" it means "soul" that is not interpreting. For examples of intrepreting see some of the "better" posters on

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Debbie Sawczak
What a perfect, relevant, and thorough example! Thank you, Bill.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Bill Taylor
0, 2005 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation It says "soul" it means "soul" that is not interpreting. For examples of intrepreting see some of the "better" posters on TT or the million dollar question: Which is a pr

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Debbie Sawczak
t latitude in their thinking.     BTW, the translation problems you mention below are not what I am talking about.     Debbie - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
n interlinear as well.   Debbie        - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Yes, yes. Now think about this. If we were to take every thought captive to the obedience of

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Debbie Sawczak
said, use an interlinear as well.   Debbie        - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Yes, yes. Now think about this. If we were to take

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Another lie to cover the first one JD?  Why not just "give it up" because this is a gotcha! What I said is that there are a lot of corrupt bibles out there and I gave one as an example which is hardly equating one with a lot.  Do you have a problem with dyslexia by any chance?  jt   On Wed, 2

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
ROTECTED]>To: Sent: April 20, 2005 11:12Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation> Lance wrote:> >>> As you, and perhaps others interpret Scripture,> >>> vis a vis the 'soul' you are COMPLETELY GREEK> >>> IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING. Can I get an

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
LIAR says You got me.  Whoa  --  how could I have been so inconsistent?   No, actually,  I meant what I said.   Judy is the one who equated "one" with a "lot."   This is what I mean  --  you really don't read our posts.   You just react.   Point is you changed your story. That is to be expected. Wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
One can get the same body of knowledge, spiritual knowledge, from any bible I have see and read.    Did you ever figure out who killed Goliath. same body of knowledge, since they all claim it was NOT David! Have at it No wonder you are so messed up doctrinally! It is the preservation, that is calle

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Sop most of the time your are in other books and when you finally get around to it you use these pervert bibles. that answers a lot of questions.   These Roman Catholic "bibles" nkjv nasv teach (see qoutations below) works salvation & a process of being saved GOOD LUCK! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mo

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
You might try listing ALL that overwhelming scriptural support for your private doctrine[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2005 11:49:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see your immersion described or discussed anywhere in the NTMight try reading with y

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Looking for a list of Perversions & Scripture Perverts JD?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2005 11:42:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are a lot more than that one but I don't care to get off on that discussion rightnow because most everyone is probably r

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
essage - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 08:40 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation     On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:20:08 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yes, yes. Now think about this. If

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
iginal Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 08:46 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Since you have no frame of reference as to what I am saying Lance, how in the world would you kno

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
First we get Barney, Pollyana and now RasputinTerry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bill Taylor wrote: Yes, yes. Now think about this. If we were to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, as we are instructed to do, we would actually "experience" healing holistically -- i.e.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation & Scripture

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
ation (He does) then, He can certainly work through the NIV. Much ado about well..something ..but not much. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 02:54 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation DAVEH:  Thanx for your thoughts, Judy.  A f

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
ller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 20, 2005 11:12 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation > Lance wrote: > >>> As you, and perhaps others interpret Scripture, > >>> vis a vis the 'soul' you are COMPLETELY GREEK > >>> IN Y

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: >>> As you, and perhaps others interpret Scripture, >>> vis a vis the 'soul' you are COMPLETELY GREEK >>> IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING. Can I get an AMEN? Judy wrote: >> Since you have no frame of reference as to what I am >> saying Lance, how in the world would you know? >> You reject it be

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Where does he say "good"?   On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:09:26 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/20/2005 5:47:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, you are probably the best I have ever seen for taking the simple and making it complicated.  You and

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 6:04:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jt:You are a RAIN BEARING CLOUD! May I elicit another Amen? Perfect   !  Perhaps this explains how Izzy can get so wet.  JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 5:47:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, you are probably the best I have ever seen for taking the simple and making it complicated.  You and Caroline would make a great team. "Good" doesn't quite get it   ---   "inspiring" is a m

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 5:26:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD says There are no corrupt Bibles So which do you use, the New World translation?  "and the word was A god"? Give it up,  Deegan.   I am not interested.  JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 5:18:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, yes. Now think about this. If we were to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, as we are instructed to do, we would actually "experience" healing holistically -- i.e., not just psycholog

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:52:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD NOW says  By the way  --  "one" is not "a lot."  JD previously said "There are no corrupt Bibles" SO, what you really meant to say was "there are few corrupt Bibles" You got me.  Whoa  --  how could

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:17:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD says There are no corrupt Bibles One can get the same body of knowledge, spiritual knowledge, from any bible I have see and read.  The inpiration process includes what God goes   WITH THE READER.

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
Most of the following proves my point on a number of levels   especially the scripture quotations.   By the way  -  I usually quote from the NKJV and study from the NASV along with several interlinears.    Salute.  JD In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:06:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PRO

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I see baptism in water in the NT JD.  By 'your immerson' I refer to this thing of songs, CD's, fellowship, and the list of things you described as bringing you to some kind of epiphany when you had been out of God's Word for 10yrs in 1997.   On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:21:40 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/20/2005 2:16:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: His most recent book is 'From Cells to Souls - and Beyond' (editor) with an essay by Alan Torrance entitled 'What is a Person?' It addresses the important issue of the mind/brain as well as the rampant dualism

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/19/2005 11:49:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see your immersion described or discussed anywhere in the NT Might try reading with your eyes and heart open.   It really really really helps,  Judy.  Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/19/2005 11:42:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are a lot more than that one but I don't care to get off on that discussion right now because most everyone is probably reading them.  Let's just say we are being blindsided and robbed by so called sc

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
Jt:You are a RAIN BEARING CLOUD! May I elicit another Amen? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 08:40 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

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2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
nd gnosticism one sees in society at large, the believing community and, on TT. - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 19, 2005 21:49 Subject: [Bulk] Re

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
They (Bill & Caroline) are two of the five excellent contributors on TT. FWIW I'd put DaveH at #5. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 08:46 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Bi

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Judy Taylor
hat is a Person?' It addresses the important issue of the mind/brain as well as the rampant dualism and gnosticism one sees in society at large, the believing community and, on TT. ----- Original Message - From: Bill Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Exactly, that is what I have been saying ( the PROCESS of TT posting event & our daily encounter) these birds are not saved, and hang together.Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:20:08 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yes, yes. Now think about this.

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Bill Taylor wrote: Yes, yes. Now think about this. If we were to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, as we are instructed to do, we would actually "experience" healing holistically -- i.e., not just psychological healing, but physiological as well. That, it seems

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 08:33 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Blind guides. This must be where 'G' gets his inspiration also as Jeeves makes mention of all the same Geeks - oophs! I mean Greeks.  Studying the physical brain to

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:20:08 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yes, yes. Now think about this. If we were to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, as we are instructed to do, we would actually "experience" healing holistically -- i.e., not just psyc

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
: April 20, 2005 08:33 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Blind guides. This must be where 'G' gets his inspiration also as Jeeves makes mention of all the same Geeks - oophs! I mean Greeks.  Studying the physical brain to try and find the soul is

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
lls to Souls - and Beyond' (editor) with an essay by Alan Torrance entitled 'What is a Person?' It addresses the important issue of the mind/brain as well as the rampant dualism and gnosticism one sees in society at large, the believing community and, on TT. - Original Message -

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Judy Taylor
large, the believing community and, on TT. - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 19, 2005 21:49 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation "Portraits of Human Nature: Scie

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
l 20, 2005 07:17 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation JD says There are no corrupt Bibles   Paul says 2 Co 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God UNLESS of course you read a Satanicly corrupted version: NKJV, NASV, NIV and RSV  PEDDLE the word of God Corrupt is to ADUL

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Bill Taylor
ail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation In a message dated 4/19/2005 6:47:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Portraits of Human Nature: Scientific &Theological" by Malcolm Jeeves.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation DAVEH:  Thanx for your thoughts, Judy.  A few years ago, we had a big TT discussion about the NIV.  As I remember, it seems some TTers rather like it, while others were less than enamored with it.Judy Taylor wrote: I call it the 'Not Inspired Version&#x

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
ote: The TNIV looks to address some of the problems of the NIV. It's available now. Interlinear is a better way to go. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 02:44 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation DAVEH:   Ma

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2005-04-20 Thread Debbie Sawczak
LOL! You hit the nail on the head.   D - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation As opposed to what?..Virginians with

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Oh yeah the one that says Ellahan killed Goliath! How could that be corrupted?   Maybe they should have had my Sunday School teacher on the advisory board.Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I call it the 'Not Inspired Version' - I have one since so many pastors use them these days but I never

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
The old man is dying - dying - dying it is a PROCESS of Immersion ya know.Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Being born again is a definite essential spoken by Jesus who said it is impossible to see the Kingdom of God unless one is born again - or born of the Spirit.  Don't you remember

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
NIV NKJV NASB living RSV ESV Grebers spirit world NT New World translation Joe smith's Inspired version   Some worse than others , but all adulterated. It is just a matter of "Degrees"Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are a lot more than that one but I don't care to get off on that dis

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD NOW says  By the way  --  "one" is not "a lot."  JD previously said "There are no corrupt Bibles" SO, what you really meant to say was "there are few corrupt Bibles" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2005 11:14:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are lots

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD says There are no corrupt Bibles So which do you use, the New World translation?  "and the word was A god"? How about "The New Testament -- a New Translation and Explanation" Based on the Oldest Manuscripts, by Johannes Greber (a translation from German into English), edition of 1937 Here is his

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
question with understanding, if not full participation, save the Mormons.  - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 07:17 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation JD says There are no corrupt Bibles

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD says There are no corrupt Bibles   Paul says 2 Co 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God UNLESS of course you read a Satanicly corrupted version: NKJV, NASV, NIV and RSV  PEDDLE the word of God Corrupt is to ADULTerate not quite the same as to peddle! The perverted translatio

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
, wrongly informed what, IYO, the 'Truth' actually is. (KJV 'Truth',of course)   - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 07:04 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation Unless you repe

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2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
He can't answer the process is not FINISHED yet. He says it is grace but he really has a DO religion Whereas Christ said it was DONE. So he is still workin on the process, it will be a while![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2005 9:15:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Unless you repent and settle it right NOW you will not get thru the "process of getting saved" anymore  than you know who (LDS) will be exalted! You are LOST there is no process of becoming saved, in the scriptures. You just keep believing in fairy tales.   JD's support for a process of becoming sa

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
As opposed to what?..Virginians with agendas? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 02:39 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation There are a lot

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2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation DAVEH:  Thanx for your thoughts, Judy.  A few years ago, we had a big TT discussion about the NIV.  As I remember, it seems some TTers rather like it, while others were less than enamored with it.Judy Taylor wrote: I call it the 

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
The TNIV looks to address some of the problems of the NIV. It's available now. Interlinear is a better way to go. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 02:44 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
Ahhh now there's the rub. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 20, 2005 01:30 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation DAVEH:  Any comments about those who interpret them?[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2005-04-20 Thread Lance Muir
ommunity and, on TT. - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 19, 2005 21:49 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation "Portraits of Human Nature: Scientific & Theological" by Malcolm Jeeves. An

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2005-04-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Thanx for your thoughts, Judy.  A few years ago, we had a big TT discussion about the NIV.  As I remember, it seems some TTers rather like it, while others were less than enamored with it. Judy Taylor wrote: I call it the 'Not Inspired Version' - I have one since so many pasto

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Judy Taylor
I call it the 'Not Inspired Version' - I have one since so many pastors use them these days but I never use it in my personal study time.  jt   On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:44:59 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DAVEH:   May I ask what you think of the NIV, Judy?Judy Taylor wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Judy Taylor
ï Being born again is a definite essential spoken by Jesus who said it is impossible to see the Kingdom of God unless one is born again - or born of the Spirit.  Don't you remember his conversation with Nicodemus? Being born of the Spirit requires repentance and turning from the old to the new

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2005-04-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   May I ask what you think of the NIV, Judy? Judy Taylor wrote: There are a lot more than that one but I don't care to get off on that discussion right now because most everyone is probably reading them.  Let's just say we are being blindsided and robbed by so called schola

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Judy Taylor
There are a lot more than that one but I don't care to get off on that discussion right now because most everyone is probably reading them.  Let's just say we are being blindsided and robbed by so called scholars with agendas.  jt   On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 02:27:29 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/19/2005 11:14:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are lots of corrupt Bibles, the Watchtower Society produces one of them.  jt I will have to get a copy and see if I agree with your assessment.    By the way  --  "one" is not "a lot."  JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/19/2005 11:01:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Portraits of Human Nature: Scientific &Theological" by Malcolm Jeeves. Anyway, I think that is what you are talking about. I was thinking I had sent one of his books home with you

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Judy Taylor
There are lots of corrupt Bibles, the Watchtower Society produces one of them.  jt   On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 02:04:05 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/19/2005 10:30:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  Any comments about those who interpret t

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/19/2005 10:30:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  Any comments about those who interpret them? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are no corrupt Bibles.   JD Ah  --  therein is the rub.  JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/19/2005 6:47:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Portraits of Human Nature: Scientific &Theological" by Malcolm Jeeves. Anyway, I think that is what you are talking about. I was thinking I had sent one of his books home with you. Is that right?   Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Saved - Salvation

2005-04-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/19/2005 3:17:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is âin the process of beingâ born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." So, who are you quoting this time, Deegan?    What happens

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