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2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
Ehhh? What's that? Lance is a 'stump', you say? There are many who would agree! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 25, 2005 21:33 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wis

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2005-04-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
] More wisdom from Dallas Willard   Izzy wrote: > No one has been specific about the alleged character > deficiencies of DM, Lance.  What, specifically, are > they What is your evidence of such?   Thanks, Izzy.  I think they just want to pretend that everybody sees it except

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2005-04-25 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: > No one has been specific about the alleged character > deficiencies of DM, Lance. What, specifically, are > they What is your evidence of such? Thanks, Izzy. I think they just want to pretend that everybody sees it except for me so that they can deceive themselves into thinkin

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2005-04-25 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > What, David, do you make of the reality that, > ... each and every thoughtful, literate (that excludes > me) participant on TT (Bill, John, Gary, Slade, > Caroline, Debbie and, Jonathan) have identified recurring > 'character deficiencies'. Are any of these correct? I have no doubt

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2005-04-25 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > A couple of things occur to me: Lance, you seem to be proceeding from the premise that I am perfect in knowledge. I am not. I don't believe anybody is perfect in knowledge. I do, however, believe that some are perfect in love. Please don't confuse the two. Lance wrote: > I'v

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2005-04-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
t; To: Sent: April 24, 2005 11:32 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard     > No one has been specific about the alleged character deficiencies of DM, > Lance.  What, specifically, are the

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2005-04-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard   Me? I'm nobody.   - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 24, 2005 11:32 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard    

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2005-04-24 Thread ShieldsFamily \(ROOT account\)
    What a patently false statement, Lance.  Repent while you can.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   There is no evil intent here, no slander or character assassination.

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2005-04-24 Thread ShieldsFamily \(ROOT account\)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:48 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard   No. - Original Message - From: Shields

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
No, I don't. I included in the 'literate' class not the other.A further apology to you, CPL. - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 24, 2005 10:49 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Tru

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
Me? I'm nobody. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 24, 2005 11:32 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard > Lance, perhaps you wish for DM to just make wild statement

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
11:32 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard > No one has been specific about the alleged character deficiencies of DM, > Lance. What, specifically, are they???

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
Didn't you just say all of this?   And, no I wouldn't. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 24, 2005 11:32 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard To

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
Amen, Terry! You are partly correct. - Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 24, 2005 11:24 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard > Lance Muir wrote: > > >DM speaks of &

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2005-04-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
ect: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard DM speaks of 'this false concept that I (I believe I'm not alone on TT regarding this) have that humans sin daily.' DM refers to this as a 'lie of Satan' and, he offers an interesting (the Incarnat

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2005-04-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard What, David, do you make of the reality that, other than those who believe that you to do/say no wrong thing (virtuall is what they mean I trust), each and every thoughtful, literate (that excludes me) participant on

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2005-04-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
l 24, 2005 3:48 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard   I'm referring to him as a human being and, not a 'divinity'. You imply that you 'know' David. You must then 'know' him to be i

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2005-04-24 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: DM speaks of 'this false concept that I (I believe I'm not alone on TT regarding this) have that humans sin daily.' DM refers to this as a 'lie of Satan' and, he offers an interesting (the Incarnation!!) explanation in support of it.. A couple of things occur to me: 1. In what cap

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2005-04-24 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, I appreciate being included in the group of "thoughtful, literate" TT members, even as an also ran, but I do not recall ever identifying any "character deficiencies" in DM. Do you recall something I don't? From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It does and, I apologize for not including t

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for acknowledging the 'good try'. I'll work on it. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 24, 2005 08:00 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Will

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
It's called objectivity. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 24, 2005 08:20 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard HYPOCRISY? What HipPoprisy?

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
ct: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard Well some of us don't have the smarts that God blessed you with. We can't all be scientists ya know.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It does and, I a

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2005-04-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
2005 08:05 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROT

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2005-04-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
: April 24, 2005 07:56 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard "thoughtful, literate"   Flip the coin, Does this include Perry & Terry also?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What, David, do you make of the reality that, other than

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
:05 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.Lance Muir <[EM

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2005-04-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
It does and, I apologize for not including them.  - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 24, 2005 07:56 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard "thoug

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2005-04-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
No one posted about the personal character of these false teachers. They posted about problems with the teachings themselves. You attacked David's personal Character, not the same. Nice try though. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is no worse that the addictive practice of besmirching thro

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
What indeed? Life, Kevin, life. Also, Scripture, Kevin, Scripture.David is his own distinctive version of Debbie, Caroline, Linda, John, Bill, Kevin, Gary, Jonathan, Slade etc. Sometimes he seems to acknowledge this reality. Sometimes he seems not to. There is no evil intent here, no slander

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2005-04-24 Thread Kevin Deegan
"thoughtful, literate"   Flip the coin, Does this include Perry & Terry also?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What, David, do you make of the reality that, other than those who believethat you to do/say no wrong thing (virtuall is what they mean I trust), eachand every thoughtful, literate (th

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
I'm referring to him as a human being and, not a 'divinity'. You imply that you 'know' David. You must then 'know' him to be in the same order as yourself or your husband. Is this either 'libelous or sinful'?   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.in

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
No. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 24, 2005 01:14 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard Just a question Lance: whenever you applaud someone you agree with why is i

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
DM speaks of 'our still having an original sin nature JUST AS MUCH AS JESUS DID' Actually, this is a most provocative and interesting phrasing, worthy of some discussion. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 23, 2005 22:38 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bul

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
It is no worse that the addictive practice of besmirching through mischaracterization such as Torrance, Polanyi, Barth and, Wright. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 23, 2005 21:55 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Da

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
What, David, do you make of the reality that, other than those who believe that you to do/say no wrong thing (virtuall is what they mean I trust), each and every thoughtful, literate (that excludes me) participant on TT (Bill, John, Gary, Slade, Caroline, Debbie and, Jonathan) have identified recur

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2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
DM speaks of 'this false concept that I (I believe I'm not alone on TT regarding this) have that humans sin daily.' DM refers to this as a 'lie of Satan' and, he offers an interesting (the Incarnation!!) explanation in support of it.. A couple of things occur to me: 1. In what capacity (office) d

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2005-04-23 Thread Lance Muir
A little, yes. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 23, 2005 08:14 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard Lance Muir wrote: It's a pleasure to address you as

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2005-04-23 Thread Lance Muir
Thank you David.   Jt:Please note the language you are obliged to employ in order to 'disqualify' observations that differ from your own vis a vis David.   Poor ol' David, he was born with a silver vowel in his mouth. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk