Re: statement regarding keepalives

2018-07-20 Thread Kent Watsen
> ...but still don't put off people turning on TCP keepalives "because > the IETF doesn't recommend that", and thus they do nothing at all and > the problem just persists. No disagreement with what you and others have written, but note that the proposed statement only recommends not using TCP

Re: statement regarding keepalives

2018-07-20 Thread Joe Touch
> On Jul 20, 2018, at 4:47 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > So I'd like to see in the text that we recommend to do it as "high up" in the > stack as possible, but still don't put off people turning on TCP keepalives > "because the IETF doesn't recommend that", and thus they do nothing at

Re: statement regarding keepalives

2018-07-20 Thread Tom Herbert
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 7:40 AM Spencer Dawkins at IETF < spencerdawkins.i...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, Mikael, > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:48 AM Mikael Abrahamsson > wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> While I agree with the sentiment here, I have personally been in >> positions >> where application

Re: statement regarding keepalives

2018-07-20 Thread Spencer Dawkins at IETF
Hi, Mikael, On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:48 AM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > Hi, > > While I agree with the sentiment here, I have personally been in positions > where application programmers were unable to (in a timely manner) modify > whatever was running, to implement a keepalive protocol. In

Re: statement regarding keepalives

2018-07-20 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
Hi, While I agree with the sentiment here, I have personally been in positions where application programmers were unable to (in a timely manner) modify whatever was running, to implement a keepalive protocol. In that case, turning on TCP keepalives was a very easy thing to do that