Yes, nesting functions is valuable & necessary for closures and wrapping
functions for creating properties. But is nesting, simply for hiding data,
a preferred solution? I have a number of member functions which are
prefaced with underscores pointing out that they should not be called by
client c
Yes, nesting functions is valuable & necessary for closures and wrapping
functions for creating properties. But is nesting, simply for hiding data,
a preferred solution? I have a number of member functions which are
prefaced with underscores pointing out that they should not
_
I am lacking in understanding of the @staticmethod property.
Explanation(s)/links might be helpful. I have not found the descriptions
found in the Internet wild to be particularly instructive. Given the code
below:
=8<--
from collections import namedtuple
class Foo():
Dim
This should be a slow ball pitch. Unfortunately, I haven't stumbled across
a reasonable answer yet.
On occasion, I put long URL's into comments/docstrings simply to document
where I found specific information. However, to be a good disciple of
PEP8, anything which can't fit within 72 characters
I ask this having more C++ knowledge than sense.
There is an adage in the halls of everything Stroustrup that one needs to
think about how resource allocation will be unwound if an exception is
thrown. This gets watered down to the mantra "Don't throw exceptions from
within constructors." Does t
help(module_name) will place any text in the *first* module-level docstring
into the description section of the help page in Python 3.4.5. Subsequent
docstrings found at module level are ignored.
I have been using this factoid for placement of a copyright & licensing
notice. By placing a rather
It is preferable to sprinkle tests files throughout the directories of a
project, or coalesce all tests in a test directory?
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ss given by the book mentioned above.
Regards
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 9:16 PM Adam Eyring wrote:
> I haven't gone through many python books, but have been using a copy of
> Automating the Boring Stuff with Python. It covers lists, dictionaries,
> scraping data from websites, etc.
&g
Thank you Mats and Steven. I'm back on track now with a different tutorial
which has lead to me to the relevant coding tools.
https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
https://python.swaroopch.com
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:04 PM Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 12/3/18 3:35 A
file that opens is the Python Shell. I am really confused as to
whether or not PyScripter works on Mac OS or if I'm missing a step in the
installation process?
I hope I have been clear in my query. I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
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answer. :-)
I would strongly recommend that you skip Kali Linux for the next little while.
Every tool available on Kali can be obtained on Ubuntu. Kali is not beginner
friendly, and while the community is great, honest
".
env/bin/activate". If you are windows it would be "env\Scripts\activate"
Once activated, you can install your package like: pip install pyvisa
you may also enjoy using ipython (pip install ipython) for this kind of use
case.
James
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Can any one get me started with SSL by providing a working example with some
documentation?
God Bless:
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A long time ago when I was working with Python and DLLs I slapped together
a basic and ugly example.
You can find it here: https://github.com/James-Chapman/python-code-snippets/
tree/master/DLL_C_funcs_w_callbacks
The whole thing should load into Visual Studio. I can't guarantee that it
wor
dvance
for answering this query. I am new with Python and would appreciate any advice.
God Bless:
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## Read in Data
# Open file
filename = input("Enter the name of the file: &
ite and understand what's happening on any of these
projects (https://github.com/trending/python) then you're ready to start
applying for jobs. Show off your skills via public git profiles and you
should have something in no time, especially if you're not fussy!
Programmers are
Ah OK, now I understand why you mentioned pymalloc to begin with.
I'm not familiar with uWSGI or cython. That said, why do you think it's
uWSGI causing a leak? It seems unlikely.
Python projects can grow in size if you're not dereferencing objects...
(see https://f0rki.at/hunting-memory-leaks-in-
No, I'm saying you shouldn't need to make any kind of malloc calls
manually. Python handles memory allocation and deallocation on your behalf.
Why do you need to call pymalloc?
Are you using ctypes?
And if you are I presume this is then to make C-calls into a shared library?
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a problem?
Are you changing pointers before you've freed the corresponding block of
memory?
There are many ways to create a memory leak, all of them eliminated by
letting python handle your memory allocations.
But, back to your original question, check out "valgrind".
HTH
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want
to scan in memory, depending on the compiler settings the memory layout
could have changed, or rather not be what you expected due to packing and
alignment.
Probably not the answer you were hoping for but I hope this helps.
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On 17 October 2017 at 01:02, Michael C
wrote:
> Hold on, supp
In [2]: ?sorted
Signature: sorted(iterable, /, *, key=None, reverse=False)
Docstring:
Return a new list containing all items from the iterable in ascending order.
A custom key function can be supplied to customize the sort order, and the
reverse flag can be set to request the result in descending
I can successfully override __getitem__() for rvalues, but the following
example shows that more is required when used as an lvalue:
===8<-
#!/usr/bin/env python
class Foo():
def __init__(self, n):
self.d = dict.fromkeys([i for i in range(0, n)])
def __getitem__(self, i):
I have implemented the equivalent of "insert if unique" in Python &
SQLAlchemy to help with data normalization. However to help minimize the
number of preliminary SELECT statements needed, it helps to check types
through calls to isinstance() before getting to the salient code.
Unfortunately, the
hi, tracey,
are you allowed to use python sets? if so, you should take a look at them and
their methods:
https://docs.python.org/3.5/tutorial/datastructures.html?highlight=data%20structures#sets
best,
james
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I should have re-read that last reply before hitting send. Apologies
for the poor sentence construction!
Something I forgot to highlight before which might be related to your
initial question.
If you have a file called sound.py which contained a class called
WavFile, if you imported just sound li
>From one of the Python examples:
# COMPILING/INSTALLING THE DLIB PYTHON INTERFACE
# You can install dlib using the command:
# pip install dlib
#
# Alternatively, if you want to compile dlib yourself then go into the dlib
# root folder and run:
# python setup.py install
# or
#
re things I hate more but this come close!
James
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ow do we ensure
this doesn't happen?
Answer: build an emergency stash so you know you can spend it in such
emergencies:
rainydayfund = [[] for x in xrange(16*1024)] # or however much you need
def handle_exception(e):
global rainydayfund
del rainydayfund
... etc, etc ...
&qu
eadable was a
requirement. )
If the method of receiving that data is optional, have you considered using
something like AMQP (RabbitMQ) which would eliminate your need to support
concurrency? It would also handle failure well.
James
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On 29 December 2015 at 20:14, richard kappler wrote:
Hi all, this is my first time using the mailing list.
I'm trying to learn how to use C to extend my code, and have already worked
out how to use ctypes. I'm now trying to learn the full C extension module
approach with Python.h and have worked through the Python doc and a couple
other examples. Th
The Python 3 tutorial discusses relative imports at:
https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/modules.html#intra-package-references
I have the following directory structure for a package in development:
+ outer_package/
+ __init__.py
+ inner_package
| + __init__.py
| + mycl
In my current project, I am developing a package. It makes sense to embed
tests throughout the package's directory structure as they should be part
of the package & its distribution. It may raise eyebrows that I have tests
sprinkled through various directories, but there are reasons for keeping
s
ny. Someone else on this list might be
able to provide a satisfactory answer, but, as the main focus of this list
is learning to program in python using the standard library you might not
get an answer, and if you do, the answer might not be very knowledgeable.
You could try asking your question
One of my pet hates about this list... "This is a tutor list, your question
is out of scope". Sure there might be better places to seek answers, and
sure maybe the first responder doesn't know the answer, but that's not a
reason to respond with that phrase. This list is a called python tutor, not
p
= u.encode("utf-32")
>>> print(s)
■ ¶
>>> s = u.encode("utf-16LE")
>>> print(s)
¶
>>> s = u.encode("utf-16BE")
>>> print(s)
¶
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding to help with the
understanding of charac
rmap_encode(input,errors,encoding_map)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character u'\u2014' in
position 0: character maps to
>>> s = u.encode("utf-8")
>>> print(s)
ÔÇö
I also strongly suggest you read:
h
> Further to my last email, here's some reading regarding Python Paths
>
>
http://www.stereoplex.com/blog/understanding-imports-and-pythonpath
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cd ..
Terminal (~/lorem): python3 app/main.py
import statement is relative to pwd.
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On 16 December 2014 at 14:18, Juan Christian
wrote:
>
> Python 3.4.1
> Fedora 21 Server
>
> My paths:
> ~/lorem
> ~/lorem/app
> ~/lorem/core
>
> I want to execute: ~/
While Alan has given you a far better solution, I feel someone should
mention the break statement as you will likely come across it a lot, and it
is quite an important flow control statement.
You could add a break statement to the else which would break out of the
while loop.
https://docs.python.o
On 2 December 2014 at 20:28, gordon zhang wrote:
>
>
> I downloaded python 3.4.2 for c++ and create a vc++ project using python,
> but I have no idea what python dlls and other stuff needed to deploy the
> products.
>
> I know if we put Python34.dll and Python.dll in the folder of executable,
> i
x27;m unsure of.
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On 11 December 2014 at 11:39, James Chapman wrote:
>
> On 2 December 2014 at 20:28, gordon zhang
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I downloaded python 3.4.2 for c++ and create a vc++ project using python,
>> but I have no idea what python
I accidently used 'exit' in a loop where I meant to use 'break' and, in that
case, the program seemed to work as expected but in some cases 'exit' seems
to behave differently from 'break'. For example, in this code snippet using
'exit' or 'break' produces the same result:
for i in range(10):
i
used as an exit mechanism for normal operation.
Where to place the timer is up to you. Another thread is an option, but is
it necessary? Overhead needs to be considered.
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On 15 July 2014 14:14, James Chapman wrote:
> So if I understand this correctly, you want to start a thread and
ead should exit because the Event is set.
Hope this helps...
James
import time
import threading
class ThreadExample(object):
def __init__(self):
self.thread1Stop = threading.Event()
self.thread2Stop = threading.Event()
self.timeFinish = time.time() + 1
g_threadStop")
g_threadStop.set()
time.sleep(3)
print("Main thread exiting...")
if __name__ == '__main__':
main()
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On 14 July 2014 19:03, James Chapman wrote:
> Multi-threading takes practice!
>
> Are you using an event object to s
therefore can't mock up a working
example. If I have time later/tomorrow and you haven't solved it or no one
else has commented I'll try and put something together.
IMO, move away from GTK until you get threading working as expected, then
add the additional layer. Solve one problem at
work:
>>> varA = float(26)
>>> varB = 12
>>> varA/varB
2.1665
This works in Python2 or Python3 without importing any extra libs.
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On 12 June 2014 13:31, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 08:48:25AM +0800, Marino David
with these types
of problems and do one thing or another depending on the base OS.
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On 19 March 2014 19:53, John Fabiani wrote:
> Thanks
> Johnf
>
> On 03/19/2014 11:01 AM, Reuben wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> The generated bytecodes will be different - but bot
ain__':
dll_file = 'PythonDLL.dll'
external_lib = DllInterface(dll_file)
int_a = ctypes.c_int(1)
int_b = ctypes.c_int(2)
result = external_lib.add_a_and_b(int_a, int_b)
print(result)
---
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On 13 March 2014 15:57, Stef
validation / error checking before submitting to the Queue. This could
be important if the data going into the Queue was for example, user
generated.
Hmm, yeah I'd say question answered. Thanks eryksun.
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On 1 March 2014 16:48, eryksun wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:31 A
The answer lies in this page:
http://docs.python.org/3.3/library/stdtypes.html#string-methods
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On 28 February 2014 11:44, James Chapman wrote:
> The answer lies in this page:
> http://docs.python.org/3.3/library/stdtypes.html#string-methods
>
>
> --
> James
>
>
mportant if I was writing to a Queue and
expecting all threads to see that message? Although if I needed to
command a thread to do something I'd probably have a separate class
and separate thread for that purpose.
James
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On 26 February 2014 14:19, David Palao wrote:
> 2014
thing for other objects available under the
managers package.
So unless the other process is on a different machine, is there a
reason to use a manager?
Does anyone have any use case examples or snippets I could look at even?
Thanks in advance
James
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I have been currently trying to get a small piece of code to work, but keep
getting an error:
header_bin = header_hex.decode('hex')
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'
The source of this code is from:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_hashing_algorithm
Here is the the code:
lines could break the build and
possibly cost you hours or even days tracking it down. If those lines
were tested however, your continuous integration build system would
hopefully highlight the fault.
In my experience testing works, saves time down the line, and makes
code easier to come back to.
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alls were made.
** Obviously the print lines will be substituted for some kind of
assert lines **
FYI I'm using CPython 2.7.
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On 31 January 2014 12:57, eryksun wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 6:31 AM, James Chapman wrote:
> > try:
> > while se
Thanks in advance, and hopefully there are no formatting issues this time.
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Really!
import mock
import unittest
import pinger
It should be three lines, but somehow it got all messed up, either
through rich text formatting or copy paste.
Being a bit pedantic now about import statements which are clearly
unintentionally messed up.
- Sent in plain text.
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rrors.
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On 17 January 2014 11:23, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 09:58:06AM +, James Chapman wrote:
>
> > As this question was just about mock and not really dealing with the bad
> > return code or exception handling or raising my final working e
ue)
def test_ping_host_fails_and_throws_exception(self):
pinger = tutor.Pinger()
with mock.patch('tutor.subprocess') as subprocess:
subprocess.Popen.return_value.returncode = 1
self.assertRaises(Exception, pinger.ping_host, 'localhost')
if
pinger = pinger.Pinger()
with mock.patch('pinger.subprocess') as subprocess:
subprocess.Popen.return_value.returncode = 1
self.assertRaises(Exception, pinger.ping_host, 'localhost')
if __name__ == '__main__':
unittest.main()
----
sert_called_once_with(['ping','localhost'])
pinger.ping_host('127.0.0.1')
if __name__ == '__main__':
unittest.main()
---
Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to mock up these
subprocess calls?
Thanks
James
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maria gualandi [evamaria.guala...@gmail.com]
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!-- On Fri 6.Sep'13 at 5:27:23 BST, mike johnson (pretor...@hotmail.com),
wrote:
> can you please help me figure out why this isnt working thanks
> # convert.py
> # this program is used to convert Celsius temps to Fahrenheit
> # By: James Michael Johnson
>
> Def mai
You may want to consider pillow. Oil hasn't been maintained in some time.
On May 16, 2013 6:12 PM, "Jim Mooney" wrote:
> Make sure you have the correct architecture. The builds from
> PythonWare are 32-bit. Christoph Gohlke has 64-bit builds here:
>
> http://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/#p
As far as hosts, I use digital ocean. It's a cloud based thing like EC2,
but it's cheap (5/10/20 and up). You will of course have to configure
everything yourself, but that's not such a bad thing.
It will give you good experience configuring a linux box as well and
learning about deployment.
Sinc
[- Sun 10.Mar'13 at 16:42:59 -0500 Benjamin Fishbein :-]
> Hello. I wrote some python programs for my small business that I run on my
> computer...macbook air. I'm planning to backpack around Mexico and perhaps
> south america. I'll still be working though. Basically my computer
The bigger issue with mongo is the apt versions are old. Be sure to follow
the instructions on mongos site.
If you pip install pymongo with a ubunuto or mint build your gtg
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--> Shall, Sydney [2013-02-02 12:45:15 +]:
> Two free good text editors for the MAC are;
> 1. Komodo
> 2. Text Wrangler.
> hth
> Sydney
aquamacs is the correct gui version to use. There is also a gvim
binary available. Both emacs and vim are installed already on Mac
OS X but in text only ver
My linux distribution is CentOs 6.3. And python attached to the OS is 2.6.
How can I overwrite the previous version with python 2.7 ? Or how can I
uninstall the previous version?
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Psycopg2 is the driver for postgres. Not sure if it is py3k compliant
On Nov 15, 2012 6:13 AM, "Válas Péter" wrote:
> Two listings, of course. :-)
> I failed to tell that my PG version is "PostgreSQL 8.1.2" (and my client
> uses Windows 7, if this has relevance).
>
> 2012/11/15 Válas Péter
>
>>
I found that VPython is not in PyPI(python packet index from www.python.org).
Why ?
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Here is a example in "Python v2.7.2 document":
>>> import locale
>>> loc = locale.getlocale() # get current locale
# use German locale; name might vary with platform
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'de_DE')
However, the result of executing on my computer is:
>>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Benjamin Fishbein wrote:
> I've been scraping info from a website with a url program I wrote. But now
> I can't open their webpage, no matter which web browser I use. I think
> they've somehow blocked me. How can I get back in? Is it a temporary block?
> And can I
I am looking for some recommendations books to
read.websites,links,any information would be appreciated. Thanks,
jmslgil...@gmail.com
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How can I convert a variable name to a string ?
For example:
testVariable = 1000;
How can I get the string "testVariable" ?
Thank you~
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I agree with Steven.
You will notice efficiency gains by moving to python.
I'm a django developer myself, but some of the other frameworks work well also.
That said the django community is fairly large, and there is an active cms
project called django-cms.
https://www.django-cms.org/
Sent f
n outside of it, then I suppose you won't be able to use
Python to any degree.
But, if you do, then you can write fantastic apps using python libraries
for the backend needs.
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Chris Fox wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
To clarify, that is their server side arc. The native app itself... I'm not
sure what is written in. Probably java if I had to guess.
In making an app, most of your work is going to be backend in any event.
Also, what happens when an android user wants to download your app?
Sent from my iPad
Instagram is written in python django.
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 3, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Fred G wrote:
> I just googled whether it is possible to write an i-phone app in Python and
> got very confusing, and not super good results.
>
> Is it possible? And if so, what module(s) do I need to instal
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Chris Hare wrote:
>
> On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Walter Prins wrote:
>
> > [snip]
>
> > Your original example modified as demonstration:
> >
> > a.py:
> >
> > import shared
> > import b
> >
> > def func1():
> >print "global var in func1 = %s" % sha
I'm fairly new to software development in an enterprise environment I'm
constantly hearing the term "build deployment" and do no want to ask what
it means since it seems simple. I cannot find a definition online.
if the word is context specific please describe what it means at your
company.
thank
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 10, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Chris Hare wrote:
>
> I know they are bad. That is why I would prefer not to use it, but I am not
> sure how else to handle this problem.
>
> In this app, the user must log in. Once authenticated, they have a userid
> stored in the SQLite da
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
> > You should avoid using the global statement.
> >
> > In your case, I would think you could just add an argument to the method:
> >
> > class MyObj(object):
> > def __init__(self, arg):
> > self.arg = arg
> > def my_func(self
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Chris Hare wrote:
>
> I know they are bad. That is why I would prefer not to use it, but I am
> not sure how else to handle this problem.
>
> In this app, the user must log in. Once authenticated, they have a userid
> stored in the SQLite database. Before split
I'm attempting to learn how to use the "withas" statement in python.
I've read the documentation and also a few tutorials but I still cannot
understand the concept. or how this is normally used. Can someone please
write an example or 2 of simple ways to use the "with statement".
I understand
27;s related to the virtual machine or whether it's related to
Windows 2008. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.
Oh and Tim, you'll be happy to know that regex does not affect the
string in this case. Well, at least not the way I'm using it to
extract data.
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At Thursday, 2
line 881, in open
file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
u'\u6854\u7369\u6920\u5f73\u2d61\u6574\u7473\u4627\u4c49\u2045\u6f74\u4520\u736e\u72
75\u2465\u7420\u6168\u9c74\u7320\u7574\u\u205e\u6f77\u6b72\u2e73\u7874\u2e74\u736a
rror: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0x9c in position
35: invalid start byte
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At Thursday, 28/06/2012 on 18:58 Jerry Hill wrote:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM, James Chapman wrote:
> Thanks Tim, while this works, I need the name to be stored in a
variable as
> it&#x
Thanks Tim, while this works, I need the name to be stored in a
variable as it's dynamic.
In other words, how do I rewrite
open(u"blah£.txt")
to be
filename = "blah£.txt"
open(filename)
At Thursday, 28/06/2012 on 18:39 Tim Golden wrote:
On 28/06/2012 18:19, James
can't decode byte 0x9c in position
35: ordinal not in range(128)
I've tried all sorts of encode and decode methods on the string
containing the file name but nothing seems to be working.
Any help would be appreciated.
James
PS: This is on 64bit Windows with ActivePython 2.7.3
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Tamar Osher wrote:
> I have many questions, and eagerly ask you to please respond to me. I
> value your expertise, and greatly appreciate you taking the time to share.
> I want to find out, in elaborate detail, about the Python/Django
> relationship to web desig
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Ranjith Kumar wrote:
> Hi all,
> I tried Django with Mongodb while running manage.py syncdb I endup with
> this error
>
> note : it works fine with sqlite and mysql db
>
> (django-1.3)ranjith@ranjith:~/
> sandbox/python-box/hukkster-core-site/hukk$ ./manage.py sync
Does this language have grammar independent of english?
If no, just use .split() on the string and loop through that.
If yes, well, its much more complicated
On Jun 17, 2012 2:27 PM, "Selby Rowley-Cannon"
wrote:
> Version: 2.7
> OS: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
>
> I am writing a small translation app for
I would say start using django.
The best way to learn is by doing.
This will let you learn about databases, servers, webapps, and you can get
some functionality out of it. Just start going through the django tutorial.
On Jun 4, 2012 11:57 AM, "Joel Goldstick" wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:
Virtualenv works just fine in windows
On Jun 1, 2012 7:20 PM, "Corey Richardson" wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:01:00 -0400
> Nicholas Picciano wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have downloaded MySQLdb 1.2.3 from:
> >
> > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/MySQL-python
> >
> > Also, I'm using Python 2.7,
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Adam wrote:
> I'm working on a class that handles multiple rooms that generate a large
> amount of data. Currently my class model looks something like this (more
> apologies for any indentation errors):
> Class Model:
>rooms= {}
>for z in range(num_of_zones
I don't think django 1.5 is ready, but they are targeting python3k. There
is a fork of django i think on bitbucket that works as well.
On May 31, 2012 12:33 PM, "Vince Spicer" wrote:
> Step 1) install Ubuntu
>
> OK sorry couldn't resist.
>
> This should help.
>
> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/pr
Thanks for the tips everyone! I am fairly new to programming and am finding
myself both bewildered and amazed. Its fun when it works, but boy oh boy,
when it doesn't
Anyway thanks again, you all have been very helpful. [?]
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