[TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-13 Thread Karol Martinka
Hello, I'm wondering, if you agree with me, that almost all of the documentation to TYPO3 is really non-intuitive. There is lot of text, but there aren't simple and quick explanations as in other references are (e.g. the well-known guides for C++, JAVA etc. or even as the guide written in earl

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-13 Thread ries van Twisk
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von > Karol > Martinka > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2007 18:33 > An: typo3-english@lists.netfielders.de > Betreff: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do > you know > any good documen

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-13 Thread Stephen Bungert
a Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2007 18:33 An: typo3-english@lists.netfielders.de Betreff: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation? Hello, I'm wondering, if you agree with me, that almost all of the documentation to TYPO3 is really non-intuitive

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-13 Thread Dmitry Dulepov [typo3]
Hi! Karol Martinka wrote: > I'm wondering, if you agree with me, that almost all of the documentation to > TYPO3 is really non-intuitive. Books and online manuals are written by programmers and it is for users at at least in intermediate level. Even beginner's books sometimes assume some thing

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-13 Thread Christopher Torgalson
Hi there, Karol Martinka wrote: > Hello, > > I'm wondering, if you agree with me, that almost all of the documentation to > TYPO3 is really non-intuitive. > > There is lot of text, but there aren't simple and quick explanations as in > other references are (e.g. the well-known guides for C++,

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-13 Thread Cate & Peter
Hi Karol > > I'm wondering, if you agree with me, that almost all of the documentation to > > TYPO3 is really non-intuitive. The story is documentation is an old one. There are a couple of reasons - first, the people who wrote it are predominantly coders, and people who have a good understanding

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-13 Thread James Knuckey
So you're typo3newbie! A couple of things helped me at the outset, thanks! :) I tried to post a comment about your problems with tt_news category display (you have to unhide your general storage page for it to work), but it wouldn't let me post comments. On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:04:34 +1300,

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-14 Thread Christopher Torgalson
Cate & Peter wrote: > TSRef is handy ... but only if you have a starting point, when you are > learning. I usually try to find some code that nearly does what I want, and > look to see how to tweak it. > > And Christopher, regarding your article... > >> For this reason, I wrote the following a

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-14 Thread Dmitry Dulepov [typo3]
Hi! Cate & Peter wrote: > I had a look at it ... but honestly, for me, it went straight over the top. > All the jargon that I don't understand in the TSRef is all there in the > article, and so I still don't understand it. I think maybe you are a 4th > year apprentice and ready to become a tradesm

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-14 Thread Martin S
2007/12/14, Christopher Torgalson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Cate & Peter wrote: > > > > > TSRef is handy ... but only if you have a starting point, when you are > > learning. I usually try to find some code that nearly does what I want, > and > > look to see how to tweak it. > > > > And Christopher

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-14 Thread Cate & Peter
Hi Christopher > Well, I never claimed it was for total beginners, but honestly, I don't > think it's over the head of anyone who's successfully used > TYPO3/typoscript/html/css to build one or more sites. :) I meant no offense .. but to give you an idea, I have been using Typo3 for 2 years to bu

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-14 Thread James Knuckey
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:30:30 +1300, Martin S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's exactly what I've discovered. To learn Typo3 through documentation > you need to know Typo3 already... > > When people are new to a system (any system) they may expect > documentation > to address their level of un

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-14 Thread Karol Martinka
Hello Dimitry, thanks for the tip, I've already read those :)). The first think (two weeks ago), what i've made was to read them briefly to understand the concept (as I usually do for new systems) ... I'm a programmer (mostly C++ & Delphi), I do understand object-oriented concepts, but Typoscri

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-14 Thread Cate & Peter
Hey Dmitry > It is very nteresting to know how TSRef looks from beginner's view. Can you make > some examples of what exactly is hard to understand? > > I think one thing, which is hard for us (developers) to catch, is what others find > unclear. Examples would really help us improve. > Mmmm ...

Re: [TYPO3] Complicated documentation? No reference guide? Do you know any good documentation?

2007-12-14 Thread Dmitry Dulepov [typo3]
Hi! Karol Martinka wrote: > I'm a programmer (mostly C++ & Delphi), I do understand object-oriented > concepts, but Typoscript was harder to understand from the doc's as > Smalltalk is ;-).. One thing that you must know is that TS is not a programming but a configuration language. It is not ex