>> 1 - The client.
> Mark Shuttleworth.
I'm not so sure is Mark itself agree with this position - He wants to
give something to others not to itself. I'm afraid that Ubuntu is right
now a public person and a common value for some millions of human
entities. Being open source I'm in doubt if
> "You are ready to proceed if you can clearly and concisely
> define the following:
> 1 - The client.
Mark Shuttleworth.
> 2 - The audience.
Linux noobs.
> 3 - The message.
Ubuntu is brown, easy to use and completely awesome.
> 4 - The client's motivation.
I'm a great guy.
> 5 - The audience'
Am Freitag, den 04.01.2008, 02:52 +0100 schrieb Kenneth Wimer:
> we are not going to
> change the theme for Hardy radically as it is the last of the LTS cycle
Didn't you mean _next_ there?
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Hi all,
I have been on vacation for the last few weeks and unfortunately offline as my
parents decided that the internet is too modern for them and no longer have a
connection. Between spending my holidays with my family and my parents I have
tried to sneak off to the coffee shop to at least re
Andrew Laignel wrote:
> Hey, I was only saying that votes are valuable in so far as to find out
> what not to do and finding out what people hate is important. Neutral
> doesn't have to be bland or lacking in style, it just needs to avoid
> polarizing people.
And this is the exact opposite as
Troy James Sobotka wrote:
> Am I reading this?
>
> OSX has for the longest time held away _many_ users because their
> audience has been so clearly stated time and time again. It has
> just recently begun to pay extreme dividends on their unflinching
> dedication to that audience. And yes -- peop
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 02:31:17 +> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things
> forwards.> > On Jan 3, 2008 2:16 AM, Andrew Laignel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:> > I think votes are valuable
"Ooh, what's that one?"
OSX is long held as one of the boldest and most unique designs in the
industry, when Windows was just toying with XP - Apple made the ultra-shiny,
over-glossed look and threw in every effect they could think of and paired
it with a pinstripe. If you look at OSX now, compare
>
>
> As long as I can remember the Ubuntu Theme has been part of the
> branding, something that helps make Ubuntu known, something for people
> to talk about. From this point of view, it has worked very well - if
> you see a screenshot of linux and it is brown, you _know_ it is ubuntu
> - if you s
Andrew Laignel wrote:
> Ideally
> a default theme should not be even noticed by the public - being neutral
> and innofensive as possible should be the goal. A perfect demonstration
> of this is Apple, where the current theme for OSX is crips, clean,
> stylish and probably as neutral as you can
julian wrote:
> can you list these three attempts here for the benefit of review?
To the best of my ability:
1) Roughly about Warty there was a community effort. The original
Launchpad group was created from what I can recall.
2) Around Edgy there was a pretty decent push to get people to
organ
Who wrote:
> How does a conventional 'vote for the one you like' allow us to see this?
>
Maybe you could vote 1...5 on each entry then look at the tally graphs
for distribution?
>> into love it/hate it camps which should be avoided at all cost. Ideally
>> a default theme should not be even not
On Jan 3, 2008 2:29 AM, Ken Vermette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No author of any theme is remotely aware of whether or not their submission
> will make it into the final product.
>
As Cory K just pointed out - this isn't true. No designer knows if
they will make the default. But we can ensure th
> > Ubuntu has a process for making new packages available to users. There
> > is no reason we, as a team, can't follow that and have our artwork
> > included in universe (or eventually in main, perhaps?) :) Being
> > default, well, that's a different story
>
> Main vs. Universe means nothing.
>
>
On Jan 3, 2008 2:16 AM, Andrew Laignel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think votes are valuable. Not for seeing who likes a theme but rather
> who hates it. Any overly stylised theme is going to polarise people
How does a conventional 'vote for the one you like' allow us to see this?
> into love
Who wrote:
>> Dude you are just spinning your wheels, because I don't understand how
>> nything up to this point can be called brilliant. I don't claim to know what
>> to implement to get this project back on its feet. But the fact is that we
>> are more then two months into a six month release cyc
No author of any theme is remotely aware of whether or not their submission
will make it into the final product.
I don't know that, if I turn one of my themes into a full-out GTK with
Emerald and Metacity, my time will have been worth it. While we are all
aware that Mark will decide the final them
> >
>
> Dude you are just spinning your wheels, because I don't understand how
> nything up to this point can be called brilliant. I don't claim to know what
> to implement to get this project back on its feet. But the fact is that we
> are more then two months into a six month release cycle withou
I think votes are valuable. Not for seeing who likes a theme but rather
who hates it. Any overly stylised theme is going to polarise people
into love it/hate it camps which should be avoided at all cost. Ideally
a default theme should not be even noticed by the public - being neutral
and inn
On Jan 2, 2008 6:47 PM, Troy James Sobotka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> There is no war.
>
> There never has been war.
>
> There is only sabdfl and his way that he chooses to run
> his company. I applaud his patience, monetary input, and
> brilliance in this light.
>
> Voting is also irrelevan
..on Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 04:47:02PM -0800, Troy James Sobotka wrote:
> julian wrote:
> > we need to see mockups in one place as opposed to scattered over several
> > sites
> > and hidden as attachments in nests of threads:
>
> This has been established at least thrice in my knowledge,
> and at
..on Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:09:56AM +0100, Thomas L.G wrote:
> tonic skrev:
> > well there is voting
> >
> > one man, one vote
>
> To be honest, I don't think that's enough.
of course it's not enough, but it's a start. be wary of absolutism when
considering the /potential value/ of information:
tonic wrote:
> well there is voting
>
> one man, one vote
>
Hilarious. And yes, quite right.
sabdfl I suppose _does_ vote.
Sincerely,
TJS
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julian wrote:
> we need to see mockups in one place as opposed to scattered over several sites
> and hidden as attachments in nests of threads:
This has been established at least thrice in my knowledge,
and at no point do people bother to tidy things up into
an organized manner.
The people who w
..on Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:01:26PM +1300, tonic wrote:
> well there is voting
>
> one man, one vote
agreed. it indicates /trends/ of interest, something not easily discernable
from
sprawling mailing list discussion.
as someone said earlier, there are many great ideas contributed to this lis
tonic skrev:
> well there is voting
>
> one man, one vote
To be honest, I don't think that's enough. If anyone were to agitate for
a community-based organization of this work, it would be me (especially
since it politically suits my ideals perfectly... ehem). And I am! But
every organization ne
well there is voting
one man, one vote
On Jan 2, 2008 6:02 PM, Justin Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Whatever, that fact remains that there is no leadership or direction from
> the people who can make any decisions. You seem to forget many people, such
> as myself, are on here on their own
Whatever, that fact remains that there is no leadership or direction from
the people who can make any decisions. You seem to forget many people, such
as myself, are on here on their own time at no cost to Canonical and just
want to help. By not giving these people any direction their hard work is
g
Justin Rogers wrote:
> I have been watching for about two months now, waiting to see how I can
> contribute. Who ever is leading this project, I am still uncertain, have
> put very little effort into it overall. I believe we were promised some
> sort of direction on the Wiki like a month ago. At th
I have been watching for about two months now, waiting to see how I can
contribute. Who ever is leading this project, I am still uncertain, have put
very little effort into it overall. I believe we were promised some sort of
direction on the Wiki like a month ago. At this rate there is no way any n
Who wrote:
> Good points.
>
> I share some of these concerns, and eagerly await an answer :)
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 11:03 PM, Andrew Laignel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I've been subscribed to this list for a few months now, and have been
>> slightly disappointed at how things are progressing.
Good points.
I share some of these concerns, and eagerly await an answer :)
On Dec 28, 2007 11:03 PM, Andrew Laignel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been subscribed to this list for a few months now, and have been
> slightly disappointed at how things are progressing. I have seen quite
> a lot
I've been subscribed to this list for a few months now, and have been
slightly disappointed at how things are progressing. I have seen quite
a lot of good ideas go by, with people saying 'yes, I like that' and
then it disappears into history and someone else posts something and it
all starts a
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