Re: [Fwd: Re: What VM technology to use?]

2008-08-13 Thread Daniel Mons
Cary Bielenberg wrote: > My references to it being a pig to install is borne out of frustration, > I didn't articulate my feelings well! What I was trying to say is that > unless you are dedicated to learning the intricacies of the software it > is a struggle to grasp & install. Again, I can't

Re: [Fwd: Re: What VM technology to use?]

2008-08-13 Thread Daniel Mons
Karl Bowden wrote: > able to fault it. Dont get me wrong. I still think Xen is the best > solution for businesses, but with it's flakey 32bit support in ubuntu > and lack of out-of-the-box support for nvidia gpus, although it runs I should mention that KVM's "solution" to the Nvidia thing is to pa

Re: [Fwd: Re: What VM technology to use?]

2008-08-13 Thread Karl Bowden
I guess I'm going to pipe in on this too. I'd been a die hard fan of VMware since I was a windows only guy (admittedly 9 years ago). But since testing out Xen and KVM I have found place for virtualisation in business use. VMware is a very nice polished product, but I have always found installing VM

Re: [Fwd: Re: What VM technology to use?]

2008-08-13 Thread Cary Bielenberg
Daniel Mons wrote: Cary Bielenberg wrote: I guess the main problem from my perspective is documentation & "spit & polish" of Xen & KVM makes it hard if you only administer 10 odd machines, It's ok if you eat sleep & breath these apps but to the sysadmins who have to multi skill it is almo

Re: [Fwd: Re: What VM technology to use?]

2008-08-13 Thread Daniel Mons
Cary Bielenberg wrote: > I guess the main problem from my perspective is documentation & "spit & > polish" of Xen & KVM makes it hard if you only administer 10 odd > machines, It's ok if you eat sleep & breath these apps but to the > sysadmins who have to multi skill it is almost prohibitive to

Re: [Fwd: Re: What VM technology to use?]

2008-08-13 Thread Cary Bielenberg
Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 19:40 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: I guess the main problem from my perspective is documentation & "spit & polish" of Xen & KVM makes it hard if you only administer 10 odd machines, It's ok if you eat sleep & breath these apps but to the sysadmins who

Re: [Fwd: Re: What VM technology to use?]

2008-08-13 Thread Dave Hall
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 19:40 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > I guess the main problem from my perspective is documentation & "spit > & polish" of Xen & KVM makes it hard if you only administer 10 odd > machines, It's ok if you eat sleep & breath these apps but to the > sysadmins who have to multi sk

[Fwd: Re: What VM technology to use?]

2008-08-13 Thread Cary Bielenberg
Owen Townend wrote: 2008/8/13 Senectus . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 2008/8/13 Daniel Mons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Paul Gear wrote: | If you want to virtualise Windows, nothing comes close to VMware in | terms of functionality. Paul, Could you please expand on this? I'm currently running 4x H

Re: What VM technology to use?

2008-08-12 Thread Owen Townend
2008/8/13 Senectus . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/8/13 Daniel Mons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Paul Gear wrote: >> | If you want to virtualise Windows, nothing comes close to VMware in >> | terms of functionality. >> >> Paul, >> >> Could you please expand on this? I'm currently running 4x HP BL680c (16

Re: What VM technology to use?

2008-08-12 Thread Daniel Mons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Gear wrote: | If you want to virtualise Windows, nothing comes close to VMware in | terms of functionality. Oh and I forgot to mention, where I work we ran some head-to-head tests of ESX server versus Xen/QEmu (via RHEL5-AP). http://www.stickfre

Re: What VM technology to use?

2008-08-12 Thread Senectus .
2008/8/13 Daniel Mons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Paul Gear wrote: > | If you want to virtualise Windows, nothing comes close to VMware in > | terms of functionality. > > Paul, > > Could you please expand on this? I'm currently running 4x HP BL680c (1

Re: What VM technology to use?

2008-08-12 Thread Daniel Mons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Gear wrote: | If you want to virtualise Windows, nothing comes close to VMware in | terms of functionality. Paul, Could you please expand on this? I'm currently running 4x HP BL680c (16 cores, 64GB RAM) with Xen/QEmu to virtualise a number of L

Re: What VM technology to use?

2008-08-12 Thread Paul Gear
Cary Bielenberg wrote: > I'm currently knocking up some virtual servers at work, I will be using > Hardy x64 on HP DL585 servers (dual amd processors, 16Gb ram etc) I have > used the free Vmware server 1.6/Hardy on other boxes but I fell that > that performance leaves a lot to be desired. Today

Re: What VM technology to use?

2008-08-12 Thread Dave Hall
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 20:07 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > I'm currently knocking up some virtual servers at work, I will be using > Hardy x64 on HP DL585 servers (dual amd processors, 16Gb ram etc) I have > used the free Vmware server 1.6/Hardy on other boxes but I fell that > that performance

What VM technology to use?

2008-08-12 Thread Cary Bielenberg
I'm currently knocking up some virtual servers at work, I will be using Hardy x64 on HP DL585 servers (dual amd processors, 16Gb ram etc) I have used the free Vmware server 1.6/Hardy on other boxes but I fell that that performance leaves a lot to be desired. Today I tried KVM but it seems a pig