[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-02-15 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
I have a build now working for xenial now (local sbuild). Unless we will get a confirmation for extra tests by vmware or someone else able to cover the current supported esxi we will (as discussed) "only" target backports but not an SRU (this can change if one confirms he is willing and able to

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-02-15 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
Dropping it on/off any list won't help. As I outlined before - I'm even for updating, but need some confirmation that it works right. If they'd commit to verify a ppa that I provide against all their ESXi versions that would be great! If you could ask them for that explicitly that would be

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-02-14 Thread evade
I've had an unofficial response that VMware will continue to include Xenial in the supported OSes list for ESXi if VMware tools is updated. However I'm waiting for the support person to get an official statement, which I hope I can quote for you. They're still talking internally -- You received

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-02-08 Thread evade
Thank you again for your help. I'm very disappointed by the overall response to this issue. If you've already contacted the VMware staffers working on the GitHub repo, then I wouldn't expect much from the business critical support ticket I've raised. We need to know that the distros we use will

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-02-07 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
I asked around way more, but the TL;DR summary is that it never worked and that no group is able or willing to do the verification for a full SRU. Backports would therefore be the option to go, but due to the (probably trivial once you know the fix) complex build issue it not feasible for me to

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-02-06 Thread evade
It's take a few days to get through some internal delays about raising the ticket. It should be acted on soon, although as I said before I'm unsure if it will get the right result. Have you tried to contact the VMware people who maintain the open-vm-tools repo in Github by any chance? I wonder

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-28 Thread evade
Thanks again. It will be a few days until I'm able to do it, but I will raise a job and request assistance from VMware. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1741390 Title: Package two

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-24 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
FYI - I completed 10.2 into Bionic now, it was in proposed and will soon be available there. But the backport to Xenial drove me nuts (for stupid reasons), and since I can't even qualify it for the SRU I gave up the backport for not. Yes for a xenial-backports only upload it would not be "that

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-16 Thread evade
Sorry to hear that the build is messy. Thanks for putting the time in that you have. I've got plenty of other things to do so I'm just checking every few days for the build to succeed. Would this be much easier if the new packages were in backports only? In hindsight that is OK with me. If so

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-16 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
The build is kind of messy, as upstream moved some sources around and building that "nicely" required features in debhelper only avaialble in later Ubuntu versions. It failed a few times now and this week is really bad in terms of free time for this :-/ Also we discussed a potential SRU into

Re: [Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-15 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
> If you have something specific you'd like VMware to act on, I can raise > a support ticket with them but it will take a few days before there's > any chance of action. I'm not sure I can get much traction, but it's > worth a try. thanks for the offer. I have contacts, so this will go on - yet

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-15 Thread evade
Thank you again. If you have something specific you'd like VMware to act on, I can raise a support ticket with them but it will take a few days before there's any chance of action. I'm not sure I can get much traction, but it's worth a try. -- You received this bug notification because you are

Re: [Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-11 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:35 PM, evade <1741...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Hello Christian, > Thank you for your work on this! Sorry to hear about build problem. I hope > it's not difficult to resolve. I am looking forward to trying this. I can't spend like a full day on it, but if you are

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-11 Thread evade
Hello Christian, Thank you for your work on this! Sorry to hear about build problem. I hope it's not difficult to resolve. I am looking forward to trying this. I do not feel this is a "comfort feature" but instead a compatibility requirement for Xenial to be supported on the latest ESXi 6.5

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-11 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
Xenial ok as well in the PPA now. @evade - having this in the archive is kind of a comfort feature, but for your case where e.g. the absolute sync of tools and host is so important - can't you rely on the implicit availability of guest additions via the host like in [1] ? If not what are the

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-11 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
Artful built, but on Xenial there were various issues for compat 10, I need to revert more changes. A new build was uploaded but will again take a while. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

Re: [Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-09 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
[...] > Please note that the related open-vm-tools-desktop package also needs to be > kept at the same version as open-vm-tools. As I mentioned we're using > VMware's "Horizon View" product so I require this also. > Do I need to raise a bug against that package also? The source package

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-09 Thread evade
Thank you very much! I will try the package from your ppa as soon as I'm able. Please note that the related open-vm-tools-desktop package also needs to be kept at the same version as open-vm-tools. As I mentioned we're using VMware's "Horizon View" product so I require this also. Do I need to

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-09 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
The maintainer scripts have not a lot (actually none) version dependent special cases that sometimes wreaking havok for such backports. OTOH unfortunately no integrated dep8 tests. And as I mentioned at least I don't have a matrix of vmware hosts 10-14 around or any such which I'd like to see at

Re: [Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-07 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
Thank Steve, you are right under that POV it would fall under the (virtual) HW enablement category. So not backports but a real SRU, that is beneficial for more people if done right. Thanks for sharing your SRU expert hat thoughts. So it comes down to a matter of: - developing some more extended

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-07 Thread evade
Also, I hate to burden you more, but VMware tools seems to be updated every 3/4 months in line with ESXi patches. IMO it should be updated at least quarterly. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-07 Thread evade
Thank you both for your responses! What needs to happen for a "platform enablement" bugfix? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1741390 Title: Package two years out of date To manage

Re: [Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Christian, On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 07:25:16AM -, ChristianEhrhardt wrote: > In the sense that you describe it about every package in Xenial is now > "two years out of date", because the policy to not break on what users > already use has a lot of implicatons [1] > One tries to address

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-05 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
Thank you for your explanation - and even before so I was guessing just that. I've been there as well in the past. I understand you estimation of: I'm not convinced that older versions of VMware tools are more "stable" I've been there as well (for other projects), but hard lessons learned (on my

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-05 Thread evade
Hello Christian, Thank you for your fast response and the explanation. Despite the difference in release time, I don't see this as a major upgrade but instead a required bugfix to maintain compatibility with another vendor's products. I work in an enterprise environment and am working on a

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-04 Thread ChristianEhrhardt
Hi evade, I understand your case but this has to be very carefully evaulated. In the sense that you describe it about every package in Xenial is now "two years out of date", because the policy to not break on what users already use has a lot of implicatons [1] One tries to address bug-fixes in

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-04 Thread evade
I can't find any security bugs fixed, but there are good fixes like this: "Kernel modules were not upgraded after upgrading OSPs using the recommended procedure The package vmware-tools-esx-kmods is a meta package that depends on the kernel module package. Installing it with yum/apt/zypper

[Bug 1741390] Re: Package two years out of date

2018-01-04 Thread evade
PS: There are multiple significant bugfixes for Linux in the updated version. Here are the release notes, I believe the latest does not include the fixes from previous versions (all these releases are newer than the Xenial version)