[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

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[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

This appears to have actually been fixed (artful+), plymouth was moved to a recommends [1] for cryptsetup (although the changelog doesn't seem to say that). Mountall is no longer included in artful+ with the switch to systemd. [1] https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/cryptsetup ** Changed in: cryp

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

This kind of philosophy is the reason why I am going to quit using Ubuntu. Regards tim.werner@freemail.services -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymout

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I don't yet understand how exactly the next two facts combine: 1) Plymouth is not just a splash screen but required for something cryptsetup does 2) cryptsetup works just fine without it on many setups What conditions are required for the cryptsetup to fail in any way when plymouth package is abse

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

** Tags added: trusty vivid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup To manage notifications about this bug go to

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

FWIW, Fedora also ships plymouth by default but it is entirely possible to remove all plymouth packages w/o any hard dependencies. I was really surprised by this, given that RPM based distributions have a bad rep for the "rpm hell". Not anymore, it seems... -- You received this bug notification b

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

We are doing some research on how PARTICIPATION actually works in the Ubuntu ecosystem and we would like to know if there is any community process that would allow voting on this issue? This is an especially interesting issue because from a technical view it is very clear - of course it is total n

Re: [Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

If libpango dependency is the issue then please rewrite title and description accordingly or better yet submit a new bug on that. Sent from mobile נשלח מנייד On 12 Nov 2013 21:27, "Povilas Kanapickas" <556...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > If plymouth only handles messages to the console, it should

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

If plymouth only handles messages to the console, it shouldn't depend on libpango, a font library. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency f

Re: [Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

On Sun, 30 Jun 2013 at 21:59, Steve Langasek wrote: > This dependency: > - is not a bug in plymouth. Well, no, but it's a bug in packages like mountall an cryptsetup which DEPEND on plymouth - that's the whole point of this bug. > - is not up for debate. Oh? Why so? > You do not have a prope

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

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[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

This dependency: - is not a bug in plymouth. - is not up for debate. > Reopened. Son long as I have to keep purging something > to have a properly functioning system, the bug has not been fixed. You do not have a properly functioning system if you have purged plymouth. You have a system that w

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Reopened. Son long as I have to keep purging something to have a properly functioning system, the bug has not been fixed. ** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubu

Re: [Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 at 00:22, Steve Langasek wrote: > ** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu) >Status: Confirmed => Invalid Can you comment on this one, please? So far there has been no technical reasoning in #556372 as to why a "Depends: plymouth" should be warranted. OTOH, technical reasons h

Re: [Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

> Steve, care to comment on why this is invalid? Because God Fathter decided. For Raring you can find liberated packages of mountall and cryptsetup here: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/post/5699657/quote/ They have proven to work and even solved some problems caused by plymouth. -- You received t

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Steve, care to comment on why this is invalid? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup To manage notifications a

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup To

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: plymouth (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Pl

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

The attachment "replacement for mountall_2.11 with plymouth dependency removed" seems to be a patch. If it isn't, please remove the "patch" flag from the attachment, remove the "patch" tag, and if you are a member of the ~ubuntu-reviewers, unsubscribe the team. [This is an automated message perfo

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

** Also affects: plymouth (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / crypt

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I am speechless. Filesystem mounting on startup "depends" on an unstable GUI. But "hey!" plymouth can also send messages to the console! Everything is fine.. No? No! Fix it, there are no excuses. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

SheeEttin: I'd rather recommend going for Wheezy which is almost done. It is supposed to have less bugs already now than Ubuntu will ever achieve. If you want to stick to good old Gnome2 desktop, have a look at MATE 1.6. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bug

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Christian Kujau: remove plymouth as dependency would be enough :) SheeEttin: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html#netinst-stable :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Per Scott in comment #4: "Won't Fix is a maintainer decision (ie. me)"; so basically this is a "because I say so" thing? I'm not sure how to proceed if the maintainer refuses to fix it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. h

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

This bug is not meant to "remove plymouth" - if you feel that way, please file another bug. Speaking of which: this bug here is set to "wontfix" - do I need to file a new bug or can this be set to "confirmed" again? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, w

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

> We are not asking to drop plymouth from the default installation. Actually, I think it should be removed. Go take a look at the zillion posts in Ubuntu and Kubuntu forums about problems during boot. In many cases, we have to spend useless time telling people how to disable the pretty graphical b

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

We are in 2013, and this problem (which is not exactly a bug, more a refusal of the developers to provide a decent answer) is still open and unchanged. I am very disappointed that the developers will not listen to dozens of users here and change one dependency. We are not asking you to drop plymout

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Not that this thread (and bug) need more support, but this has now become an issue for me in Ubuntu Server 12.10 - on boot, my main tty (tty1) reads: {servername} login: mountall: Plymouth command failed mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth This would normall be the screen where I would

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

> Debian testing appears to be much more stable than ubuntu these days. Less updates too. +1 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency from m

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

*nod* ... after only four years (not even one LTS cycle), we have begun the upgrade process back to debian. Debian testing appears to be much more stable than ubuntu these days. Less updates too. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

** Changed in: cryptsetup Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup To manage noti

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Any plans to stop forcing broken software on users just to make things "pretty", and actually start fixing real bugs that are actually affecting users ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/55

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Ok then, here is the ready-to-install plymouth-dummy_1.0_all.deb! It's an empty package but allows to remove plymouth while keeping the packages that have wrong dependencies to plymouth. To workaround this (WontFix??) bug and remove plymouth just execute 2 commands in a Terminal: sudo dpkg -i p

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Feel free to attach the resulting .deb (if one is allowed to attach binary files). Maybe users will be more comfortable doing this on their own, so they "see" what they're installing. And yes, the deb works for all Ubuntu versions. Also yes: the equivs version will have no functionality whatsoever

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

@Christian: I overlooked your cool workaround in comment 16! It is exactly the solution I meant, and in my Natty classic it works perfectly too! Thank you very much! What do you think: should we attach the resulting .deb here, as a kind of "patch"? It is easy to generate, but it would make more cl

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

@Oliver: this can be achieved via "equivs", see my comment #16. This creates a dummy package (with "Provides: plymouth") that will fullfil this depenancy. Works like a charm here :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Perhaps we could create an empty deb package "plymouth_99.9.9-9ubuntu99.deb" with unchanged dependencies but without files in it that would be installed. ATM I use the PPA from comment 22. But this PPA has to follow every update of mountall and cryptsetup. I'd prefer to keep the original mountall a

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

This bug is RIDICULOUS. Ubuntu's quality decreases more and more. Why it's dependent and not recommend?!? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth depe

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I still don't understand what the _technical_ reason is not to switch to Recommends: rather than Depends: as it is now. If plymouth would be "recommended" only - nothing would change, since "Install-Recommends" is on by default and everything would just continue to work. But the sysadmin is free to

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I've solved the problem installing the modified version of mountall and cryptsetup. But this is absolutely dumb! Won't fix is ridiculous: I've installed the server version and I need all the data to be protected and there's no way I put a keyboard and a server because of this. The only way I can't

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I as well built mountall packages for Oneric without dependency on plymouth. They can be downloaded from uu-forum here: http://media.cdn .ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/3553372/mountall_2.31_liberated.tgz. The archive contains both, i386 and amd64 packages. -- You received this bug notification

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I will post plymouth-optional packages for oneiric in my mediahacks PPA this afternoon. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountal

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Why has this been set to WONTFIX again? Has a consensus been reached already? From looking at the comments here, I doubt that. I still think "Depends" is too hard and think "Recommends" is a better suit for this. As APT::Install-Recommends=true is the default, nothing would change for the general u

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Why has this been set to WONTFIX again? Has a consensus been reached already? From looking at the comments here, I doubt that. I still think "Depends" is too hard and think "Recommends" is a better suit for this. As APT::Install-Recommends=true is the default, nothing would change for the general u

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Just updated my Ubuntu server to [20]11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot). This bug hit me and I wondered what Plymouth was, so I used Google and I could not believe that it was for flashy graphics because mountall depended on it. So I searched further, and then I discovered this discussion. So it's true, we ha

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Why not make plymouth a dependency of ubuntu-desktop and remove it as a dependency of mountall. It's idiotic, frankly, what about mountall *requires* plymouth to work? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launc

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Final Natty versions mountall_2.25ubuntu1+0ingo (released April 14) without plymouth dependency and are available for download in the uu-forum from here: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/post/2847002/, or via direct link: http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/2847002/mountall2.25-natty.tgz

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

FWIW, the equivs package[0] from comment #16 is still working, no need to upgrade every time a new mountall/cryptsetup/whatnot version is released. cheers, C. [0] http://nerdbynature.de/bits/LP-506297/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subsc

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

New versions of mountall 2.25 for Natty without dependency on plymouth are available here: http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/2826729/mountall-2.25-liberated.tgz Includes i386 and amd64 *.deb's. ingo -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, w

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

mediahacks PPA is updated too. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Sorry, I forgot to copy the link: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/post/2805146 or for direct download: http: http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/2805146/mountall_2.24.tgz Ingo -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

They keep me busy: 3 versions of mountall for Natty within 2 weeks! Here the link for the liberated versions 2.24 (does not depend on plymouth), both i386 and amd64 with md5sum in a *.tgz. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubunt

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

@Alf Yes, debian is good solution @ingo Thanks, my "solution" was apt-pinning and I could set up a server this way. But... * It's just another thing one must keep in mind. And therefor it's not a solution for me. The big joke is: I moved from Debian to Ubuntu two years ago. Desperate because o

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I updated my PPA for the new mountall in Natty: https://launchpad.net/~dtl131/+archive/mediahacks -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title: Please remove the plymouth dependency fr

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

@ Stefan In case you need liberated cryptsetup packages, please post here your version of Ubuntu - But Debian for sure is the better choice. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 Title

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Welcome in the club. I meanwhile also switched from Lucid-amd64 to Squeeze-amd64 on my desktop. That apperas the logical conclusion because I am tired of bothering with Canonical-made problems and instabilities. The move is really easy and lots of essential packages are even more up- to-date in Squ

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

@Stefan debian is a really good "solution" for this and other errors. Esp. in servers i dont need upstart, i dont need plymouth, i dont need ureedahead. A server has to be a little bit "old-fashioned". Remember, debian squeeze become stable on Feb. 6. As another plus you will get an actual and f

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Thanks Alf, thanks Ingo, thanks *, but this is not a solution for me! Plymouth REALLY BREAKS MY SERVERS. I need full hd encryption and ssh in initrd - both is not possible with this ugly and broken package. I cannot purge that shit w/o strange workarounds. And - as far as I see - the problem is

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

For those of you who are already playing with Natty: Package 'mountall' in Natty received an update to v2.21 recently. The liberated versions (suffix +0ingo) can be downloaded from here: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/post/2790509/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Seems, the mystery why it is refused to fix this bug has been discovered. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/672177/comments/25 for the full puzzle. You easily can confirm by just executing apt-get install --reinstall libc6 && shutdown -r now -- You received this bug noti

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Please don't worry about the recent update of mountall for Natty to v2.20+nmu1. Its just a punctuation fix (komma -> dot) and nothing else. You safely can apt-pin my version by putting these lines in /etc/apt/preferences: Explanation: pin a mountall version build by ingo which Explanation: does

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Liberated versions of montall and cryptsetup with dependency on plymout for Natty are available here http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/howto-hacking- plymouth/12/#post-2714952 They are for all of you who are fed-up with nasty plymouth and dictatorial attitude of some maintainers of Ubuntu. --

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Just another opinion about plymouth for use in Linux-Mint found here http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_debian.php: >Plymouth wasn't considered stable enough to be included in LMDE. Alternatives such as usplash or splashy seemed obsolete and rather than using them temporarily, it was decided not to use

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

> I'm as a normal user without much knowledge of recompiling not able to remove it by my self. If you are able to read/understand German language, come here and you'll get help: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/howto-hacking-plymouth/12 (we also do not mind in case you post in English ;-) -- P

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I really can't understand why you guys putted plymouth into an LTS release. It's buggy, far from use able (i.e. in combination with official NVIDIA drivers) and I'm as a normal user without much knowledge of recompiling not able to remove it by my self. I really can't understand that so please chan

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

> plymouth "solves" a problem no one had Even worse: it appears to just imitate the Win$ beheaviour like Fedora does, and additionally hides "warnings" and "error" messages during boot, so it avoids the necessity to fix the root cause of those messages. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

plymouth "solves" a problem no one had but introduces real problems. I just want to get rid of it and I can not understand why I am not allowed to do so. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 You received this bug notification

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Hello, i'm a normal Linux user without any curious geeky skills. I've a completely encrypted Ubuntu on my laptop. If i installed the proprietary driver from nVidia to have full 3d acceleration active. Is this a scary wish? After installation i can't see the type-in mask to decrypt my LUKS containe

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

mountall 2.15-3 has shown up in Lucid-proposed, seems to correspond to Maverick's 2.19 (same changelog). Liberated versions of mountall for Lucid and Maverick are available in the known places. Liberated up-to-date versions of cryptsetup as well -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mou

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I have too, problems with plymouth I really have to uninstall it if i want to shutdown my computer As soon as plymouth is installed for me, the computer can't shutdown so i have to make a hard stop (press on the button stop) As soon as plymouth is uninstalled, my computer can shutdown https://bu

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Liberated versions of the updated (security fix) mountall (v2.15.2 for Lucid resp. 2.17 for Maverick) are available in the known places. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 You received this bug notification because you are a

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I would also like to request the removal of this unnecessary dependancy. We use Ubuntu Server in a fully virtualized environment, where text console is used to access our virtual machines. For this reason, a graphical boot screen is of no use at all, and the fact we can't just purge this package

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Plymouth (currently) is obsolete! -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.u

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Nice thread here, but there is no chance for plymouth to ever survive on my machine. I don't accept intentionlly faulty configuration/dependency and meanwhile there is already a small community promoting and supporting a "free mountall and cryptsetp". > potential interaction between multiple pa

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Your last sentence is wrong: That program could eventually be plymouth in future. Today it sucks. In todays shape plymouth is useless and do harm to many people. Ok - you can decide, what ever you want. But users can decide as well: My decision is to remove the dependency every time you update ply

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

You are joking, right? A hard dependency for further use? BTW: If plymouth should be useful, this would mean i could interact with programs. Several times i could not. In this shape plymouth does more harm then any useful things. Or please change your last sentence: That program one day can eventu

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

> But why, oh why, mountall still depends on plymouth? Something needs to be there to multiplex the potential interaction between multiple parallel boot programs (filesystem checks, cryptsetup etc.) and the user. That program is plymouth. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall /

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

The answer is simple. If there where no dependency for plymouth, anyone could purge plymouth. This would break the holy eye-candy of ubuntu. A nice crash is better then a ugly error-free system start. :( -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.ne

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Reading through all the comment, I still don't understand why mountall depends on plymouth. Plymouth is an application that runs very early in the boot process, *even before the root filesystem is mounted!* But why, oh why, mountall still depends on plymouth? Please justify. Thanks -- Please

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

https://launchpad.net/~info-g-com/+archive/helpers-rcs Packages for Lucid and Maverick - I'm willing to check out mav, but only without plymouth ;) -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 You received this bug notification becaus

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

As a tester I kindly ask for an easy way to activate textual boot option. Why? * The graphical boot might hang when changing the graphic driver - e.g. personal experience when trying to activate a NVIDIA driver. * Textual booting facilitates error seeking - e.g. where does the boot process hang?

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Sorry for not keeping up with Maverick versions. I'll (hopefully) have them soon when I find time to upgrade one of my Ubuntu installs to Maverick. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 You received this bug notification because

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Echoing the same sentiment--for me, trying to boot with "single" or no "splash" kernel options does not work at all (i.e. black screen, doing nothing, forever) unless I remove plymouth. I've installed the dummy from Dave Lentz' PPA, and it works beautifully. Plymouth is obviously not required, and

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I'm afraid, but such attitudes seem to be common in Ubuntu. We had a similar case some time ago in Gusty, where 's2ram' binary was intentionally removed fron 'uswsusp' package. And users were forced to use buggy kernel-suspend instead. My suspicion: force users to test and debug 'kernel-suspend'

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Here is a new PPA, fixing the a mountall and cryptsetup. It's a really massive change. Deleteing just one word and compile again. Nice Job setting it to won't fix. https://launchpad.net/~info-g-com/+archive/helpers-rcs -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://b

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Come on Canonical, what's with all the "user's want this and user's want that"? _I_ am a user, as are others here, and this hard depends on plymouth is causing me problems right now. If it's not required (and it's not) then it's not a Depends. This is a bug, plain and simple. Nobody has given any

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

To disable Plymouth on Lucid server we removed the /etc/init/plymouth*.conf scripts: http://staff.adams.edu/~cdmiller/posts /Ubuntu-Lucid-server-disable-plymouth/ Hope that is a helpful kludge for some. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.ne

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

thanks ingo, thanks dave, now it looks for me as a linux should look. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-b

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

ingo, I'm doing the same thing in PPA form: https://launchpad.net/~dtl131/+archive/mediahacks -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Here the links for the patched versions 2.13: http://media.ubuntuusers.de/forum/attachments/2445809/mountall_2.13-0ingo_amd64.deb http://media.ubuntuusers.de/forum/attachments/2445809/mountall_2.13-0ingo_i386.deb At this occasion: does anybody still have the deb's of v2.9, I'd be happy to test the

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

If plymouth is really needd and actually doing something useful besides providing fancy booting, then its package desciption should be changed to something more verbose (a bug against plymouth should be filed, I guess). However, when following the package page for plymouth I eventually end up on th

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Perhaps the better solution would be to work with Ubuntu to: 1) Separate the important parts of plymouth and boot splash and 2) Make the functional part required with the extra part recommends Plymouth does have an important part in the boot process. As much as I feel it's bloat, it's something th

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Hi Christian, thanks for your hint - so we got several ways to manage this issue. Here the links for latest mountall packages based on Canonical's 2.12, with dependency on plymouth removed: http://media.ubuntuusers.de/forum/attachments/2442423/mountall_2.12-0ingo_amd64.deb http://media.ubuntuuser

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Oh, and for "libdrm is the interface to the kernel rendering manager" - yes, for desktop systems that may be valid. But there's still the "Ubuntu server" installation. Less dependencies, less code - less (security) issues. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https:

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Yet anouther workaround: instead of patching (Thanks, Ingo!) mountall and all the other packages depending on "plymouth" now, one could install plymouth-pseudo package. This way the dependency would be satisfied but one can still receive updates on the other Ubuntu packages: $ apt-get install equi

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Canonical has started the race by distributing a 2.12 with plymouth dependency added again. I have taken up the competition, but won't upload the 'corrected version' in this tread. -- Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/556372 You rec

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

I agree with you on the 1st and 2nd part. It should only be in 10.04 LTS if it's stable. Period. It would be nice if plymouth could be removed, especially when it's not totally stable. However I have the fealing that Ubuntu is more or less more testing then stable if you compare it to Debian. Bu

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Hey letstrynl , ok your/Canonical's arguments for plymouth are totally acceptable. On the other hand, if you consider how much trouble plymouth causes and how many bugs are still open I do not understand that they put such efforts and manpower in it, just to get it somehow working for the majority

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Hey ingo, I totally understand. I also like to see what's going on. But... If Ubuntu wants to be a major desktop (it does), it has to take into account that most users don't want to know. And users are always right, of course. I guess plymouth plays its part in that. As for patching the packa

[Bug 556372] Re: Please remove the plymouth dependency from mountall / cryptsetup

Hi, letstrynl I am running just a desktop, but I don't like that just eye-catching plymouth stuff. I prefer to see what's really happening during boot. On a headless server that's really annoying, think about Debian ;-) With this dependencies removed all tools, synaptic and apt, are absolutely ha

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