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I think the report actually meant that the launcher should be movable to
other edges of the screen. I'm afraid that won't work with our broader
design goals, so we won't implement that. We want the launcher always
close to the Ubuntu button.
status wontfix
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As
I think the report actually meant that the launcher should be movable to
other edges of the screen. I'm afraid that won't work with our broader
design goals, so we won't implement that. We want the launcher always
close to the Ubuntu button.
status wontfix a basic function and make Ubuntu not cus
Well. Apparently this bug was partially fixed for 16.04 by Marco
Trevisan, in a hidden way:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/it-s-official-ubuntu-16-04-lts-now-lets-
you-move-the-unity-launcher-to-bottom-501932.shtml
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MarcoTrevisan/posts/X46usgf7gSk
https://www.youtube.
@obligat @iloveyou I couldn't agree more. The entire Ubuntu movement is
suffering just because of a single stuborn man (@sabdfl). This
foolishness is honestly something I simply couldn't have imagined
happening in 2010. And to think the same terrible problem is still
present after 5 years... Well g
I love Ubuntu's global menu. Really. Combined with windows undecoration
it's f_cking better then anything. Much more better then in a Mac. But I
hate Ubuntu's nail-picked launcher. It's f_cking terrible. It's
incompatible with using of multiple operative systems. No matter how
Unity team make it su
Thanks Mike, that's very gracious. I know the Unity team care to make it
super-efficient to use, with a minimum of movements and the best
keybindings for pro's, and they'll appreciate your thoughtful comments.
Mark
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"You missed one:
"Now it's clear how the launcher being on the left works across phone,
tablet, PC and TV"
- Mark Shuttleworth, 2013-02-19
;)"
***
The same UI on different devices is an epic fail. Different devices has
different logic of handling. The tablet is usually without mouse, the PC
n
I originally wrote comment #342 complaining to Mark about how this
decision was not in line with the ideology of freedom in open source and
went on to rant about how some engineers firends and I switched to
centos or gentoo for some work related work because of the unity
interface, blah, blah, blah
I've been using Unity for several years, until recently (after the last
update, my machine wouldn't boot). Recently, I switched over to
xubuntu, which is also an awesome distro.
I've been thinking about this "bug" off and on for about two years in
the process. Here are my thoughts... hopefully
@Mark Shuttleworth, @MarkShuttleworth, #MarkShuttleworth, sabdfl,
mark@peregrine, mark@mark-XPS-15, however else I may get your attention
sir :)
Dear Mr. Shuttleworth,
You have a great vision and when I first discovered Ubuntu at version
10.04 LTS, I loved it from the start because it embodied th
This relates to lack of hardware compositing/3D effects on older
hardware .. I'm still using an ancient GeForce 5200 card (motherboard
just refuses to quit). Shade/fade effects in 14.04 are exceedingly slow
because I am assuming rendering is being done in software w/nouveau.
With the nVidia binary
I am a new convert to Linux. I love Ubuntu but so far HATE this
decision to force the dock to always be on the right side.
This is a tension between logical semantics/convention (which is the
argument Mark is making) and emotional preferences of taste.
People simply have non-logical, emotionally
Thanks, Mark!
Can't speak for everyone else here, but I think being able to use an
alternative Launcher would provide a partial workaround for this "bug,"
allowing for it to be closed as "fixed."
However, I still think it's important to allow the other components to
be turned off (Dash and top Pa
On 23/12/13 16:52, Tal Liron wrote:
> You're mistaken about the modularity of Unity7: it's impossible right
> now pick and chose components. Unity7 is an either-or affair: if you
> want to use Launchy, you will have to deal with the Unity Launcher still
> being on screen, which is of course unfeasi
Really appreciate your updating us on the vision.
You're mistaken about the modularity of Unity7: it's impossible right
now pick and chose components. Unity7 is an either-or affair: if you
want to use Launchy, you will have to deal with the Unity Launcher still
being on screen, which is of course
Merry solstice, folks! Since we're into festive season spirit I'll take
time again to express what I think is the real challenge: we have built
a converged UI across phone, tablet and desktop. If you're running
Unity7 (i.e. the standard desktop in 14.04) you're running code which
only expresses the
@Mark Shuttleworth
As stated before I would fund this change with £££ of allowing a Appearance
setting that is optional (so, does not affect default approach) to allow the
Launcher bar to be placed at the bottom of the screen or any side in fact.
Please cost this change and we the community shal
Dear Mark,
Can there be a 180 degree switch? Moving most of what's on the left to
the right (launcher, Ubuntu button, window controls) and vice-versa?
Ubuntu and Unity are the result of an amazing effort millions of people have
accompanied and contributed to over all these years. My deepest resp
I still think that there is a market for a user friendly linux desktop AS
WELL AS a market for a user friendly OS on portable/consumer devices, I
don't blame Canonical for trying to make a profit to stay in business and
trying to position for what it thinks will be the "next big thing". In a
lot o
@Adam
You make some strange arguments here.
FOSS philosophy has nothing to do with customization. It's about
providing access to the source code. The Unity project is 100% FOSS
(GPL/LGPLv3).
Ubuntu's goals might be different from yours. You might want to have a
desktop perfectly configured for y
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Mark Shuttleworth
<668...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> On 02/20/2013 04:52 PM, Adam Porter wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Mark Shuttleworth
>> <668...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
>>> if the feature was really that important, someone would have
>>> steppe
Created an Account just to comment.
I want to say, which I'm sure hasn't already been said before, but I
want to express my concern for this "vision" that ubuntu has where it's
abandoning it's following for a fixed/static image that is "easier" for
developers.
I am very disappointed in Ubuntu. I'
On 02/20/2013 04:52 PM, Adam Porter wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Mark Shuttleworth
> <668...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
>> if the feature was really that important, someone would have
>> stepped up to do it *properly*.
> "Properly" as defined by you. You set the bar wherever you want
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Mark Shuttleworth
<668...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> if the feature was really that important, someone would have
> stepped up to do it *properly*.
"Properly" as defined by you. You set the bar wherever you want, and
if someone doesn't jump high enough, it's no
Pavel Golikov (Paullo) worked hard and created a patch. His code is
still available here:
https://code.launchpad.net/~paullo612/unity/unityshell-rotated
As to whether it was not good enough quality to be merged into Unity, well,
nothing about that was updated in this bug. There may have been per
"If you look back over the long history of the bug, you'll see that we're
quite open to landing code which implements launcher movement.
Mark"
So post #3 on this thread, (reproduced here below), is "quite open"...???
If multiple 'won't s' is open i would hate to see what closed looks like.
" I th
If you look back over the long history of the bug, you'll see that we're
quite open to landing code which implements launcher movement. However,
it needs to:
* address the hard problems that raises (i.e. it needs to work properly
for everyone, not just in a hacky way for some people)
* be well w
"Now it's clear that instead of being transparent the whole time and
just telling the community why decisions were being made, we were fed
vague explanations that made us feel disrespected and excluded from the
process." -- The Community (well, me speaking for it... ;)
Mark, nice of you to chime i
You missed one:
"Now it's clear how the launcher being on the left works across phone,
tablet, PC and TV"
- Mark Shuttleworth, 2013-02-19
;)
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"I'm afraid that won't work with our broader design goals, so we won't
implement that. We want the launcher always close to the Ubuntu button."
- Mark Shuttleworth, 2010-10-30
"We should not inflict bad ideas on our users just because we’re curious or
arrogant or stubborn or proud."
- Mark Shutt
>>I'm afraid that won't work with our broader design goals, so we won't
>>implement that. We want the launcher always
close to the Ubuntu button.
I disagree.
Why couldn't the Ubuntu button be as mobile as the launcher? Is it not
part of the launcher?
At the very least Unity needs left and righ
Dear Mark Shuttleworth!
Launcher is on the bad side.
I mean the window decorations, the dash, the launcher (with ubuntu-logo, with
dash-button, in current, but mirrored form) can be horizontal mirrored to the
right side without bugs?
In its current form is useless and uncomfortable to work acro
After using unity since it's release (Not at first) I have to say I still don't
like it, not 1 little bit. The way I have gotten around the "problem" is to
make unity launcher small and auto hide and stalled CairoDock.
It keeps it hidden and can still be used when needed, makes a good second
lau
Please fix this! I like Ubuntu but these "decisions" are just as stupid
as the answers to why it won't be fixed.
And no, I don't accept the "If you don't like it, don't use it"-answer.
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Hi there,
I'm rather new to Ubuntu, having only installed it two days ago on a
Samsung Chromebook. At first, I wasn't sure about it - coming from using
macs for many years it felt mildly familiar, but just not quite there.
After some customization (moving to the radiance theme, adding a
brightness
Add me to the many who want this bug fixed.
Putting personal design goals or "vision" over user choice appears
childish & counterproductive. Maximizing user choice should always be
Job One for ANY computer OS, open-source or otherwise. Concerns over
difficulty for left-handed users or wasted scree
And you know what, if I hear one more person talk about "usability
studies" or "user testing" or research, I think I will throw up. We all
know what Mark Twain said about statistics. Here we are, real people,
reporting real problems, but we aren't relevant, because we aren't a
statistic. I'd lik
Chalk another one up for the Ubuntu Hall of Shame. Absolute power
corrupts absolutely. The handwriting is on the wall. Debian keeps
chugging along.
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I just want to express how angry I am on you Mark, and your Designers,
to just remove these functions, so users can't move it anymore.
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Yes well there's that, but also how the gnome 3 team had also stopped
listening to users -gnome had a perfectly usable desktop - the project
succeeded...I guess they must've got bored..what is Ubuntu to do as a
downstream consumer of the technology? After using Windows 8 I can see why
ubuntu team
@Rickard:
I almost feel it would be better to fork the Ubuntu project and make
Unity more customizable than ever. It seems like the Ubuntu team has
stopped listening to users.
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My main office PC with an 8X AGP GeForce 5200 can no longer run Ubuntu as
of 12.10. I actually started using 12.04 and used a combination of a Unity
with Autohide turned on and minimum sensitivity + CairoDock GL - when I
wanted the Unity menu I just pressed the "SUPER" key, otherwise I used the
Ca
@Mark Shuttleworth
I agree with having it on the left as default. We need a standard somewhere :)
I do not agree that we cannot have it as a user selected option from the
Appearance menu (just like the icon re-sizer that you eventually succumbed too
but did not appear in the original unity) as a
Ironically, my finding the design decision to have the launcher on the
left in Ubuntu encouraged me to move the taskbar on my Windows install
there too (something I'd tried before with a smaller screened laptop
that had 1280*800 as its native resolution, and quickly undid). It works
great on a 1600
@Tal Liron
I agree with you. Forking is not really a good solution to address such
kind of problems. In this case simply because of the fact, that it is
not official canonical software and therefore not part of the canonical
maintained packages. Anyhow it was a matter of time until someone
decides
@Axel Napolitano
I think this plea from you is the most succinct summary we've seen of
the attitude problem:
"I hope that canonical can be a bit less dogmatic and a bit more
pragmatic."
A quick update: Issac Joseph has created a project called "Unity
Revamped" which seems to address some of thes
Cite from Mark Shuttleworth:
"I think the report actually meant that the launcher should be movable to
other edges of the screen. I'm afraid that won't work with our broader
design goals, so we won't implement that. We want the launcher always
close to the Ubuntu button."
@Mark Shuttleworth
The
" they seem to be doing quite a good job in many cases"
They're not, the windows ui is HORRIBLE, take a look a the control panel
for that mess, have you ever had to actually support people doing things
with it?
"and are popular for a reason."
That's a fallacy, known as argumtum ad populum, by th
@IKT - why? they seem to be doing quite a good job in many cases and are
popular for a reason. Throwing away opinions because they mention some
company you don't like is a no no - in my opinion.
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"Even friggn micorsoft allows" quoting microsoft on user interface
design is a no no.
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Why has this not been resolved yet?
Having the unity launcher on the left is unacceptable in multiple
situations and saying "won't fix" without providing a very good clear
reason beyond "It doesn't fit in our border design goals" is
unacceptable. What design goal could possibly warrant not being a
Perhaps this bug report doesn't describe a technical problem, as much as
it points to what politicians might call a "messaging" issue. Some
people love the old interface and thought it was perfect. That means
it's impossible to change it, because there's no way to improve on
perfection.
Two po
This is quite annoying when you work on a monitor with a "portrait"
orientation.
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So, with Unity 5 officially out with Ubuntu 12.04, I thought I'd test
its multi-monitor support.
The good news is that it is no longer totally broken. The ability to put
a Launcher on each monitor *is* a solution. The option to have the
Launcher only on the primary monitor (called "laptop" mode, f
If the launcher is not to be moved, I can envision a few other ways of
resolving the issue of highly annoying accidental invocations:
1) Go back to using the corner to activate the launcher. Given how a few
icons will be on the lower part of the screen, having to travel to the
top and then to the
Here is something that might help some left-handers: install the
CompizConfig settings manager, and set the launch reveal to one of the
corners, say the top-left.
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I use my Lenovo tablet computer for teaching and for presentations at
conferences. I am left-handed, and especially with the tablet, it is
useful to have scroll bars on the left. However, this means that often
when reaching for the scroll bar the launcher comes out of hiding, which
is quite annoy
Given the 290 comments before me, I realize I won't be adding anything
new, but I wanted to share my frustration anyway, just to point out how
annoying this is to a lot of people by pure volume of complaints.
I have been using the unity-rotate plugin a while, but it has severe
limitations, such as
@Renato Silva: what you describe has nothing to do with the movement of
the Unity launcher. What you describe has got to do with launcher
sensitivity, something you will be able to control via System Settings
in 12.04 LTS. Moving the launcher would solve the problem, naturally,
but isn't the ca
"Won't Fix" a simple positioning setting to fix ridiculous wrong clicks
when you try to access application items on the left?
There are usually more clickable items on the left (back button in
Firefox, window buttons, first application menu etc) than on the right
or bottom. It's just sane to allow
I dislike the left sidebar but have to tolerate this because the launcher is
unmovable by your initial design. The reason you gave me is:
1)The integration between the Top Bar, the BFB , the Dash and Launcher.
2)At the moment it's important that Unity get stabilisation work during the
next
this is wrong mister mark.. if you are so sure that you are a
visionaire, let the ppl the option to CHOOSE either your way, or their
way..what do you have to loose anyway.. its not like you are not a
genius and everybody would choose the layout you try to impose anyway...
this is pure arrogance, an
Any chance of this being reopened, please?
I have become very productive over the years using a dock located at the
bottom of the screen both in Ubuntu and OSX. With Unity the screen just
feels far too heavily 'weighted' towards the left which results in my
mouse behaviour feeling 'unnateral' whe
@David
I've seen enough free software projects come and go in my day such that
1) I have a good sense of when leadership problems are endemic, as in
Unity, and 2) I have an appreciation for the messy diversity of people
involved in any given project. The combination of these two
contradictory fact
@Tal
Yep, too much time discussing (although i won't call discussing when
most of the comments are from the stubborn "small group" and not from
Canonical), time which could have been spent testing Pavel Golikov
patch. Would have been included, i'd be just adding my two cents testing
the patch to f
Wow that's a long thread.
I would like to support the request to make the Launchpad moveable - I
wish to place it at the bottom of the screen. The reason is I was
smashed up in a traffic accident over two years ago, and as a result my
eyesight and hand coordination don't work like they useta.
The
@SRoesgen
Wow. And to think that all this work (on both sides) could have have
been spent on: 1) working with Pavel Golikov to get his patch accepted,
with it being released on the dev PPA; and 2) testing and reporting real
bugs by the community to get the movable Launcher feature to full
quality.
@Danillo (and @all who want a summary of the whole discussion)
Concerning "sheer, childish stubborness"
1) comment 2# told us already the bug "won't fix" -> there was no explanation
besides saying it is a design decision
2) comment #13 stated they will explore an RTL decision (after it was poin
@Danillo
What about respect for us? What about the trouble, time and effort so
many members of the community have put into commenting on this bug
report? What about the years of effort we put into promoting Ubuntu in
our workspaces, and among families and friends? Nobody has come out to
thank us.
I'm sorry, but talking about "sheer, childish stubborness" after a
member of the design team took the trouble of answering our questions
and giving us the reasons for the current state of the launcher is IMO
dishonest and just plain offensive and disrespectful both to the design
team as to the user
@Tal Liron
>It's just sheer, childish stubborness at this point. All of the reasons
>provided for the "won't fix" on this bug (and let's remember: those kept
>changing) turned out to be excuses. They decided not to make the Launcher
>movable, and they're going to stick to that decision whatever
@SRoesgen
Sigh. I said it before, but it's worth repeating (isn't this whole bug
report about repitition? from both sides?) -- it's astounding that after
all the hand-wringing about the lack of manpower available to enable a
movable Launcher, the proposed solution for multi-monitor support is an
o
@Tal Liron
>he remaining option is that I break the walls in my office and staple my desk
>to the ceiling so that I can make sure that the leftmost monitor is my primary
>monitor, because that's the only configuration Unity supports. :/
Funny as your comment is, I am afraid that it is not true a
In my ongoing quest to find a solution for the brokenness Unity causes
in my multimonitor setup -- without throwing *all* of Unity out the
window -- I've been exploring LXDE and liking it a whole lot.
For those who would like to try it, I wrote a guide:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11
@Danillo: I get your point. Now that I understand that the current
version of unity is more aimed at beginners I think that Unity is pretty
good (my mom who is very technologically-challenged loves it). It just
lacks some usability features. So maybe there can be a power version of
unity that still
>If you want to prove your point, the best way to do this is to do usability
>tests, and not with the Gnome-2 power users, but with >the simple people that
>Ubuntu is aiming for. Get two Ubuntu computers, one with the default
>left-launcher and another with >the bottom-launcher from Unity plugin
I want to thank you John Lea for your attention and your patience in
answering questions. It's really appreciated!
People complain about the design team, but more often than not users act
almost like bosses to them. Do you think that Unity bashing will make
anyone more likely to listen to you if y
Mr Mark Shuttleworth, and those of you, who decided upon the shape of Unity.
I don't care about Ubuntu anymore. The reason I write this last letter to you
is because I want you to see how shallow your design decisions were.
You tell continuously about lack of resources. You also want to bring the
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Same here. I LOVE those big icons. That's why I am upset when the Ubuntu
dev team goes directly against the wishes of the community. I really
like unity and I don't want to leave it if I don't have to. Of course
its going to introduce more bugs!!! EVERY change one makes to a website,
program, or OS
I think my comment could be ignored because many people already said
them. But I cannot resist myself to say some complaints.
In the first place, I actually liked Unity showing a launchpad with big
icons and Dash Home interface. I still like it. Then I wanted it to be
on the bottom. Then,,, huh...
@SRoesgen
Do you think that Unity movable launcher will ever be solved?
That is why I had proposed another option for those people who can't
install Unity on their production machines because of the launcher.
If you think it is a minor problem for you, I have lots of testimonials
that says that Uni
@SRoesgen
With 269 comments (mine is 270!), *every* aspect of this bug has been
mentioned already, at least once. :)
I suggest we all give it a rest. It is very clear that this bug report
is not helping one bit. Mark has not budged since comment 2, and in the
plans for 12.04 we see that the Unity
@Tal Liron
I already mentioned that strange new Multi Monitor concept before. But up to
now, there has not been any comment/answer to that.
@Fernando
As I said before I was happy that all of the last comments were not about
leaving Unity behind but instead focused on bringing forward valid argu
I think that people unhappy with these new user interfaces, should opt to
try Xubuntu.
I've made this decision after trying Unity and seeing that isn't an user
interface that helps users be productive. It gets in the way of everybody
that tries to use it.
After many complaints, and discussions, I s
I found some information about planned multi-monitor support in 12.04,
and how it would impact the Launcher. The bottom line is that the Unity
team is dead serious about not making the Launcher movable. So, how are
they going to solve the current bugs? By having the Launcher on all
monitors!
The i
There are two "elephants in the room" for this bug.
The first is the poor job the Unity team is doing in explaining their
position to the community, for which I opened this bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/882274
The second is the inconsistency and implausibility of the explanation.
Th
JohnLea wrote:
>@flyingfisch; I posted the reasons we are not able to add Launcher movement
>atm in comment #226. Basically implementing this >change so that it works
>correctly with all the other Unity elements in a bug free manner is *a lot* of
>work from both a design and >development standpo
@SRoesgen: I think the left border will be the most unlikely place for a
false positive, even when flipping the pages of a book. If it were up to
me, I would require the finger to almost hit the left-most line of
pixels. That would work well, I think.
On 12/22/2011 02:00 PM, SRoesgen wrote:
> @
@Maarten Kossen
Swiping into any direction would be a nice and handy metaphor for turning the
pages of a book. But instead of this the swiping will reveal the launcher which
people might not even know exists because it is auto-hidden on a touch screen?
Well, nicely done. For me this sound not v
@Magnes: not if it's on the left of the screen and you swipe
right-to-left to reveal it (just like moving your mouse to the right).
At least, that's what I remember having seen in some plan.
On 12/22/2011 10:22 AM, Magnes wrote:
> Hiding launcher on a touchscreen? That would be pretty hard to us
realn wrote:
> How will we be skipping to the next track on our future
> laptops? By shaking them, too ?
No, that's for rebooting:
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-04-03/
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Hiding launcher on a touchscreen? That would be pretty hard to use.
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@Magnes: your arguments are quite invalid when it's a hiding launcher.
On 12/22/2011 08:55 AM, Magnes wrote:
> Tablets, phones and some LCDs with pivot have portrait mode in which
> launcher on the left takes too much space and is ridiculously high.
> Tablets especially are often used in this mode
Tablets, phones and some LCDs with pivot have portrait mode in which
launcher on the left takes too much space and is ridiculously high.
Tablets especially are often used in this mode. So if you want to make
Unity for tablets you need to make it movable anyway. (and on phones it
would have to be on
@realn: Well, every major OS out there (Windows, Mac OS X, Ubuntu) are
moving to such a situation. See the new launchpad (or whatever it's
called) on Mac OS X that is much like the springboard on iOS and the new
Windows Phone OS (or whatever it's called) and Windows 8 with their
similar setup.
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