World of Warcraft is not designed to be run on Linux, so I don't see
how Linux is at fault here really. The majority of desktop
applications that are designed for Linux do not require any
configuration at all in order to get them to run, just like on
Windows.
I'm also not positive on your
.
That;s right and there are a lot of other programs that are widely used
that do not work in Linux and that is whu Bug #1 is irrelevant. Windows
users will not switch until they cam run their favorite games and other
propruetary software in Linux. Most Linux advocates would like to see
If the additional bin formats package was installed by default, I
don't see why that could be a problem.
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#sudo apt-get install wine
#winecfg
#wine /PATHTOWOW/wow.exe
Is this too much coding?
It
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I have been following the discussions of this bug with some amusement
for the last couple of months. I amnot a developer, just a semi-literate
computer user who has no interest in coding,only in the best possible
functionality from my computers. I tend to leave the coding to those
with the talent
The attraction of Windows - which is the weakness of Ubuntu -is that it
requires little effort on the part of the user to configure it to rum
whatever programs the semi-literate computer user wants.
I don't agree with you.
To run a program in Ubuntu, it is maximum of 3 clicks, and as an added
man (emsenn) - your report was the coolest I think from the last 1000 ;)
so ..some peoples think that MAC OS is a theme for XP .. this is great - I
have a good story now when I'll be an old man.
- thanks -
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Help. I'm writing in from Ohio, in the United
I think we can close this bug
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gQtswIhRynLJETfc1SJbeEYkvrPwD92IS1VO0
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OMG, now #001 shows up 10 (!) times in my bug list and clutters my Bugs
related to ... page. And just because I posted an innocent joke here.
Does this really need to have so many Affects? Almost seems like poor
old Bill Gates is a scapegoat for all our problems. :=)
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Check this link out... Not only does the eye candy not match the advanced
features of compiz fusion.;.. but also there are many holes in the operating
systems security... http://cryptogon.com/?p=3385 this link is a nice
example. I started ubuntu because i though Vista was junk... but the initial
This is a very good bug report with plenty of repros. However there are
some related causes which have been overlooked.
The reason that people use XP is because it just works out of the box.
The reason that people don't want Vista is because it does not work, there is
much that is broken with
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Help. I'm writing in from Ohio, in the United States.
I recently attended a cookout with an Acer Aspire One with Ubuntu by my
side. When asked what it was, I said it was a notebook with Ubuntu,
which is a type of Linux, which is an operating system. The general
reply was that their computers
WOOOT
great job man, i totally agree!
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:05 AM, nulled [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This bug will be chipped away in time. Launchpad itself is the perfect,
or at least on the right track, to unify bugzillas and other bug
trackers. This is key as some bugs are fixed in
Harsh Singh;
It was unnecessary to re-post the whole of Nulled message.
Apart from that, it doesn't make much sense to me. For example,
paragraph 3 talks about a homiogenous computer environment. There is
no such word as homiogenous. There is homogeneous and heterogeneous,
but substituting
This bug will be chipped away in time. Launchpad itself is the perfect,
or at least on the right track, to unify bugzillas and other bug
trackers. This is key as some bugs are fixed in upstream but in down
stream like in Ubuntu itself.
Ubuntu will also have a fighting chance at smashing this bug
I recently switched to Windows Vista on my laptop, because of the stuff
not working on Linux (video codecs, dvd, flash, ati drivers, reasonable
power managemen, suspend, hibernate, etc) and the crappy user experience
provided by gnome. Further the desktop search (i think it's called
tracker) did
I recently switched to Windows Vista on my laptop, because of the stuff
not working on Linux (video codecs, dvd, flash, ati drivers, reasonable
power managemen, suspend, hibernate, etc) and the crappy user experience
provided by gnome. Further the desktop search (i think it's called
tracker) did
2 Nils - maybe it is your fault, not Linux? Or you should try KDE
instead of Gnome...
Nothing personal, it just seems strange to hear that the stuff you
mentioned does not work. My PC at home runs latest Ubuntu with KDE
installed (I use KDE, but my little sister prefers Gnome, so I keep it
just
Lets not get into that here. It didn't work for him for whatever reason,
there's no way that one thing can work for everybody.
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2 Nils:
Don't get me started. I'm sick of it when people are constantly whining about
this kind of stuff. Let me explain:
- codecs for certain multimedia formats are restricted by patents, so they
can't be included right away and the user must confirm it's legal to use them
in his country.
-
It's not because of my inability to make things work, the only
drivers, with which everything works, are the proprietary nvidia
drivers. I don't want to hear works for me or something like this.
I also forgot to add that nm 6.5 in Hardy is also quite unstable.
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codecs for certain multimedia formats are restricted by patents, so
they can't be included right away and the user must confirm it's legal
to use them in his country.
i'm willing to pay some license fees
Flash is a proprietary software which also has to be installed by
user, probably because
Suspend works on my box at home with nvidia drivers.
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Nils [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
codecs for certain multimedia formats are restricted by patents, so
they can't be included right away and the user must confirm it's legal
to use them in his country.
i'm willing to pay some license fees
Why then do you bother
Why then do you bother with Free Software in the first place?
I like some open source software like Firefox, RubyOnRails, Python,
Java, WebKit, Gimp, Apache, etc
If Adobe wants to collaborate with Canonical, Adobe must make their
software Free.
Uhh I thought Canonical is a business, not a
is a huge advantage of Ubuntu. The
same goes for SourceForge, Bugzilla and other public bug-reporting
websites, which - to the best of knowledge - only exist in the Free
Software community.
But hey, if you don't care about it, then you shouldn't care about
this Bug #1.
And to answer your original
This isn't the place for this.
Nils, just because certain hardware or whatever didn't work out for you, it
doesn't mean it won't for millions of other people. It's okay to go away,
but it's not play to preach and claim to everyone else that this isn't gonna
work, when it certainly can, and save a
it's not only certain hardware. It's a general frustration with
Ubuntu, for example flash worked in Gutsy.
With Hardy it crashes all the time or there are problems with the
sound (I guess they are related to pulseaudio
or something) The point is: I think Ubuntu should try harder to
provide a
Ubuntu QA is being taken more seriously; what we need is people in the QA
team. If you'd like, you're more than welcome to join and help them!
Understandable that things breaking are a bad thing. But it's the same
reason why many people are switching to Ubuntu, too.
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2 Vadim Peretokin - judging from your name, you speak Russian, so - я
не хочу разводить Holy War, просто мне действительно странно слышать,
что у Нильса не работают вещи, о которых он писал. Сколько знаю
пингвиноводов - у всех работает. В любом случае, или руки кривые, или
железо хитрое. А по
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Confirmed for Ukraine. It is impossible to get a PC here without M$ crap
preinstalled (unless you buy a pile of hardware and assemble the PC
yourself). And it is impossible to get a refund from the vendors, even
if you want to return the unnecessary installation media right after you
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Shouldn't that be sudo killall -9 windows or sudo killall -9 `pidof
windows` or something similar? :)
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I was able to reproduce this bug in Northern New Jersey, USA (mostly
Bergen and Passiac Counties). The stores near me all sell Windows, with
no choice over the Operating System. All non-Apple computers are sold
with Vista, and at the local Best Buy store, you can get Vista removed
and XP put on
@jawahar
Not sure if the guy is being funny or legit. I do find it ironic his
anti-Linux rants are on Blogger (=Google=Linux) :p
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A sarcastic Linux hater rant...
http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/
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This bug was reproduced effortlessly in the Netherlands. It seems to
have the nasty side-effect of producing a dependency upon itself. For
instance: it seems to have made nearly all CAD-software utterly
dependent upon itself.
By behaving in this fashion, this bug should be considered a virus.
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I added security to the linux part
MS priorities has been
1. Making sure that Windows, Internet Explorer and Office are
installed in every PC that is sold on the planet
2. Making sure that Windows, Internet Explorer and Office are
installed in every PC that is sold on the planet
3. Making sure
jawahar wrote on 2008-07-13:
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MS priorities has been
1. Usability
2. Features
3. Performance
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Just to add a note to some of the other comments about this, the #1
priority at Microsoft, really more than anything else, is profit. #2 is
probably marketing and #3 vendor lock-in, both of which
Once again, I think it makes sense, for the sake of clarity, to keep
these point separated into priorities in operating system design and
priorities in business strategy, as they're obviosly completely
separate, and the point jawahar was trying to make was about the
operating system design. So:
Stop talking about microsoft's priorities. Their priorities have lead to
the release of vista which we all agree is poor. What our priorities
should be to forget about microsoft and release a stable and strong
Ubuntu and that sounds a lot better than vista which glitches every 5
minutes. So id
shane fagan wrote:
Stop talking about microsoft's priorities. Their priorities have lead to
the release of vista which we all agree is poor. What our priorities
should be to forget about microsoft and release a stable and strong
Ubuntu and that sounds a lot better than vista which glitches
Based on what I've been seeing lately on this list, everyone always
has something to SAY about Microsoft, but they don't offer any HELP to
DO anything about the situation.
It's turning into something similar to a political debate, but it's
all talk. Anybody can sit behind a keyboard and whine
nottRobin wrote: Once again, I think it makes sense, for the sake of
clarity, to keep these point separated into priorities in operating
system design and priorities in business strategy, as they're obviosly
completely separate
Profit as the #1 priority at Microsoft *absolutely* impacts the
I wish Ubuntu have Live Chat support similar to
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Live+Chat
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Yes it is a gem. And you could then integrate it into the Ubuntu
operating system. Like when a program has an error, because of failed
dependencies or anything, there could be a link to say click here for
live support via ubuntu.com or something.
So, how do we get people actually working on this?
Surely that shouldn't be too hard?
Don't we have some sort of Ubuntu support IRC channel? You must be
able to write an IRC application for a website so that you can chat in
the IRC chat room via the website... or something? That would be good
for support.
2008/7/16 jawahar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I
Now that is a good idea. A one on one chat, easily accessible from the
website.
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Well... if Mozilla has their client open-sourced (I hope they do), we can
just take that and customize it. No need to write yet another program that
does the same thing.
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MS priorities has been
1. Usability
2. Features
3. Performance
and
Linux vendor priorities has been
1. Features
2. Performance
3. Usability
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Um, Windows usability is very arguable. The start button is a brilliant
example that spawns quite a few jokes and confusion.
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:59 PM, jawahar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MS priorities has been
1. Usability
2. Features
3. Performance
and
Linux vendor priorities has been
1. Features
2. Performance
3. Usability
Nope:
MS priorities has been
1. Making sure that Windows, Internet Explorer and
While they should be
1. Freedom on every computer sold on the planet
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Jawahar is absolutely right. Although this is by no means Ubuntu's only
problem.
@Amir - he's talking about priorities in the design of their operating
system, not business strategies. The cynical people only use windows
because they are forced to view is really starting to bug me.
Very few
Excellent analysis Robin!
One more thing to note here is OWNER ship issue.
1. Linux Kernel
2. X Windows
3. GNOME/KDE
4. Firefox
5. Drivers etc
All these software pieces are OWNED by different individuals.
Can someone tell me when was the last time they all met together in a room?
I have been
I looked at your idea. You have no idea how much extra work will that make
and how prone to breaking and arguments is that suspectible to.
It's better to get rid of the problem of failed upgrades in the beginning -
and to do that, help developers test ubuntu on real hardware by starting out
here
@Vadim Peretokin
You mean get companies to write proprietary software for Linux? (Like
how ID software made Quake for Linux).
That's going to be controversial... More below:
@ Simon Lugi
Don't be put off by Allen. He's obviously just got offended by
something you said. Maybe cos you called him a
Education Government?
I've noticed that the way people are currently educated regarding computers
leads to a very narrow-sighted, almost 99% Windows-only way of thinking.
This applies to schools, universities and adult evening-courses.
In an Austrian school in Krems, they've adapted an
I don't think education is particularly the issue. Windows is no more
ubiquitous in schools and universities than it is in every other area.
In my first IT class I was taught on an Acorn, but before that I had
learned to use Windows because that is what my dad had on all our
computers. Then I
Thanks Robin. I wasn't planning to return to this forum but curiosity got the
better of me.
Just soas people know where I am coming from, I have already stated I pretty
useless at computers and that is probably because I am not a detail person. I
am big picture person and as a result my
Yes, you know, all of the companies that are making millions on writing
software won't simply go away when linux comes up with an equivalent. It's
either move to linux for them or die or stick with windows. I personally
would prefer to have my favourite programs to be available on linux too!
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Sorry for sounding rude.
My critization of the teacher's reaction was related to lack of support
*for* them. They have a hard time dealing with the children, and since
most of them are from a non-computer generation, they're really having a
hard time: no time, no budget, no support... I'd
@ Rooker:
Okay, point taken.
If people we educated in the first place to use Linux (e.g. Ubuntu ;))
then a whole new generation of people would be more open-minded. It is
a good point. However, I still feel like most people teach themselves
the important computer skills. They main learn to use
Olá jawahar e a todos.
On Wednesday 09 July 2008 12:11:58 jawahar wrote:
I have created a common login at gmail.com so that we can solicit Ubuntu
support queries and solve them in real-time using
http://talkgadget.google.com/talkgadget/popout
As a member of the Portuguese LoCoTeam, ive
Olá nottRobin e a todos.
On Saturday 12 July 2008 12:17:41 nottRobin wrote:
But there's also the issue that (from what I've heard - correct me if I'm
wrong) DirectX is vastly superior to OpenGL - one of the few good things
Microsoft has actually produced.
Nope, thats not true. OpenGL is
Ah.
I just notice loads of graphical glitches in Open Source software. For
example, if you make the text larger in FireFox it doesn't increase in
size smoothly, it remains all thin and stuff up to a certain point,
when it makes a jump to being bold. In internet explorer the
transition seems much
@John
Are you suggesting something similar to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillian_(software) for Ubuntu?
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I stumbled upon this forum a few days ago and have been reading through this
discussion with great interest and decided to add my 5c worth.
I would describe my self as a non computer geek who has started using Ubuntu
recently (4 months ago) partially out of curiosity and partially because I felt
Wow rarely have I read comments as out of touch as those made by Simon
Lugi.
He is to be forgiven, as a recent convert to Linux / Ubuntu he can not be
expected to know the history. First Linux is not a company, and Ubuntu is
a product developed by many hands, mostly as free input.
Marketing
*Patch Submission*
One of the biggest advantages Microsoft has had is the installed user
base. People had XP, liked XP and understood XP. It is hard to compete
with that, and now that Microsoft is having to compete with XP it is
having major issues. But remember that Microsoft is a marketing
The most obvious advantage of open source software is that we can make
use of all sorts of community networks and products and build on them
for free. Without having to jump through any proprietary hoops. We can
build on open standards and the experience of millions, which is all
open and freely
Getting more commercial companies involved would be a key solution.
Microsoft, outside of it's own company, has millions of developers who are
making products for their platform :)
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Thanks for your gracious comments and I apologise if my earlier comments
offended you and anyone else. They were not meant that way. I also apolgise
for writing such a poorly constructed message. Judging from your comments the
message I was trying to get over was quite obviously not
Ordcestus, you get that right and I really appreciate all your hard work. I
wished I had the resources to do as much as you're doing right now but believe
me I'm definitely not the user
who sits on his hands warming them
with his own exhaust while everybody else
does the work.
The problem is
@Ordcestus
I am writing from India.
I'd like to provide 24x7 free real-time Ubuntu support through GTalk gadget
http://www.google.com/talk/
Would you like to join me?
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Improving in Adelaide (Southern Land down under)
My local computer store still sells windows vista primarily, but they do have
ubuntu 6.06 cd's hidden away in a corner.
I will tell you when they get a spot in the middle of the counter.
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John wrote:
all we need to do in order to get rid of Microsoft once and for all is
cutting their connections with hardware vendors [...] bundling Windows
with the majority of new computers (most notably laptops) and therefore
denying ICT users' the right to freely choose their OS is probably the
That's a conrete constructive suggestion: *organize this*! If hundreds of
volunteers spend a few minutes per day being active on such a 'channel' this
can be revolutionary! :-)
I join, *show me how*
2008/7/9 jawahar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
@Ordcestus
I am writing from India.
I'd like to provide
Yeah, good plan.
So how do we make this happen?
2008/7/9 Stephan van Ingen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
That's a conrete constructive suggestion: *organize this*! If hundreds of
volunteers spend a few minutes per day being active on such a 'channel' this
can be revolutionary! :-)
I join, *show me how*
@Stephan
I have created a common login at gmail.com so that we can solicit Ubuntu
support queries and solve them in real-time using
http://talkgadget.google.com/talkgadget/popout
Username : im.ubuntu
Password : iamubuntu
Please share this with your friends, family and well wishers.
The best
2 Conrad:
I just posted something like this on that thread on our forums while voting
sort of When I was discussing the thing with one of my Windows fellas,
he said hi likes the idea and suggested something practically the same
approach, so nobody would probably object against this since
John, would you mind keeping the subject as [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has
a majority market share - so that it stays in the same email
conversation within Gmail?
2008/7/9 »John« [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
2 Conrad:
I just posted something like this on that thread on our forums while voting
sort
700 comments now. Wow! Definitely shows that Launchpad can scale well on
an individual bug :)
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@John See, if Microsoft would do something similar to what the Linux
community has done by releasing their Windows product as a LiveDVD, it
surely would give the end user the choice of what they can do with their
computers. Sure, running any OS from CD/DVD is incredibly slow, but it gives
the end
@barbed_saber If you go to http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and make a comment on
your order of a few CDs, they can provide you with a little cardboard
display box to hold the CDs. I got one back when 5.04 was released and I
still use it to this day. I just download the ISOs of the various *buntu
flavors
@jawahar I am game for building some sort of communication tool based on
Jabber to hopefully get Canonical/Ubuntu behind it for basic community
support. All *buntu releases come with Pidgin, which is capable of using
Jabber by default. Let's see what kind of rabbits I can pull out of my hat.
John
If Linux, Ubuntu in particular wishes to make a dent in MS's market
share a greater emphasis needs to be placed on providing a better and
more congenial support base. Too much variation exists in the system
hardware and it is extremely difficult for first time users to get all
features, often
Greetings from .CZ
I believe the ultimate solution for this bug is hidden in this article
(http://limulus.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/2010-the-year-of-the-linux-
desktop).
The history teaches us that Windows didn't win the desktop wars
because it was the best available choice at the time... on the
Here is the strategy on how Microsoft captured Lotus market share.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog52.html
As of today Cell Phones and ATM (Automatic Teller Machines) are very EASY for a
layman to use when compared to Windows.
Hence I'd suggest Ubuntu to follow the USABILITY
I agree that Microsoft does have an unfair advantage in this sense,
but anyone who is at all tech-savvy can uninstall windows and replace
it with whatever they like.
You make the assumption that given the choice, people would choose
Linux and probably Ubuntu 9 times out of 10. I don't think this
Don't get me wrong - I never made the assumption you mentioned. The
point is, that even if the ratio is much lower (say 2:8), the GNU/Linux
user base will start growing much faster and at some point all the
problems with 3rd-party support will be gone, leaving only the bugs
causing problems with
If the average Joe would buy parts individually and build a computer instead
of getting a pre-built one, we wouldn't have this Microsoft tax to deal
with. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a pre-built solution, but they are
there for those who eight don't know much about computers or don't want to
Note to John and others : *building a PC*. Anyone can go to ANY small
computer shop, talk to a techie, and have a computer built, CHEAPER and
BETTER ! Ask your techie which O/S he/she is using, if it is not Linux, get
another techie. Every techie that I know that is any good, uses Linux. Most
As I said, this issue is most notable with laptops - would you guys
really be comfortable with paying more for the same or inferior hardware
to get the laptop clean or would you rather buy a better one with
bundled Windows and then take a long shot on trying to get your money
back for unused
The big problem i have with the linux community is constant windows whining.
This energy should instead be spent on windows compatibilty software like WINE
and distributing linux yourself. I provide free linux support to my city to
whoever asks and i also spend time burning large numbers of
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