Re: {Desktop 12.10 Topic] Holistic approach to Ubuntu documentation

2012-04-19 Thread Matthew East
On 19 April 2012 02:51, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > Den 19. april 2012 03:11, skrev Jeremy Bicha: >> Your topic mixes developer docs, entry-level user docs, and "power >> user" docs. Each of those needs a different approach and I think it's >> simpler to tackle them as three mostly separate thing

Re: {Desktop 12.10 Topic] Holistic approach to Ubuntu documentation

2012-04-19 Thread Matthew East
On 19 April 2012 07:19, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > This page was marked out of date nearly four years ago: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOnMac. Why does it even exist? I assume > it's simply because noone has the overview to systematically make sure > pages like that is either updated or delet

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] Quality, testability for the desktop components

2012-04-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 19/04/2012 08:46, Rick Spencer a écrit : Are you looking for discussion on these topics on this list? If so, I would suggest that Libre Office might be a good candidate for us to offer regular integration tests. I know that Libre Office has a test suite, it might be very useful to run thes

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] Quality, testability for the desktop components

2012-04-19 Thread David Klasinc
On 04/18/2012 10:39 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: It would be also nice to see regular run and report of the testsuits for other components which already have one (i.e glib, gtk) and some testing of their rdepends before upload. Almost a year ago, I wrote a short summary on current situation wit

[Desktop 12.10 Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-04-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Hey, Not sure how much we need to discuss but it's always good to have a GNOME checkpoint session. It's likely that this cycle we will not "hold back" on things we kept behind until now, which means we need to bring clutter on the CD and see how we do that and what it means (do we need extra

[Desktop 12.10 Topic] Replace system-config-printer by the GNOME printing panel

2012-04-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Hey, That's somewhat a "leftover" from this cycle, I know Lars has been working on getting the GNOME tools at feature parity, or at least to be useful enough to be able to use it instead of the system-config-printer gui, he was close of having it ready this cycle so I guess it should be fine

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-04-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 19/04/2012 12:28, Sebastien Bacher a écrit : - whatever other topics you guys come with ;-) We should probably have a discussion about gnome-control-center with design, our delta there and the strategy going forward to maintain it. We either need to work with upstream and get stuff merged

[Desktop 12.10 Topic] System compositor

2012-04-19 Thread Robert Ancell
Hi, A change I'd like to make for 12.10 is to use a compositor to control video from boot to shutdown. This gives us the following benefits: - We can have smooth transitions from the splash screen to the greeter to the session and back again - We don't use VT switching anymore which has been show

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-04-19 Thread Michael Hall
On 04/19/2012 06:28 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > - our delta with upstream and Debian and how we could lower it? mpt > suggested that "launchpad-integration" items are quite "geeky", they > also create most of our diff over Debian and extra work and don't really > "scale" since they require source

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] Quality, testability for the desktop components

2012-04-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:17:21AM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > I agree that libreoffice would be a good fit, especially if it has a > test suite already. Bjoern, do you think it's feasible? Yes, I had a call about that with the QA team already. There are multiple ways this could be done. Im i

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] The future of third-party driver installation

2012-04-19 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 18. april 2012 09:14, skrev Martin Pitt: > Hello Desktop fans, > > We have had Jockey for quite a while now to perform the installation > of proprietary (e. g. NVidia), alternative (e. g. fglrx vs. > fglrx-updates), third-party (e. g. from openprinting.org) drivers. Hardware! Yes, that's an ar

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] Quality, testability for the desktop components

2012-04-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:17:21AM +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > I agree that libreoffice would be a good fit, especially if it has a > test suite already. Bjoern, do you think it's feasible? So, we have 3 possible sources of bugs/regressions/test failures for LibreOffice on Ubuntu: -

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] The future of third-party driver installation

2012-04-19 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 01:56:53AM +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > If this was going to be redesigned, I would rather see it as a "Hardware > manager". Ubuntu is currently promoting drivers as an optional extra. > But that's not true; drivers are always necessary for all hardware. One > problem

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] The future of third-party driver installation

2012-04-19 Thread Sean McNamara
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > Den 18. april 2012 09:14, skrev Martin Pitt: >> Hello Desktop fans, >> >> We have had Jockey for quite a while now to perform the installation >> of proprietary (e. g. NVidia), alternative (e. g. fglrx vs. >> fglrx-updates), third-party

Re: [Desktop 12.10 Topic] The future of third-party driver installation

2012-04-19 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
Den 20. april 2012 03:05, skrev Sean McNamara: > proprietary software running on their system. A lot of people think it > is important to remind our users that the *reason* why their OS runs > so well is because the vast preponderance of its software is free and > open source software. Licensing m