Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-15 Thread Didier Roche
Le 16/10/2012 06:08, Jeremy Bicha a écrit : On 15 October 2012 13:50, Sebastien Bacher wrote: That's going to be a controversial topic but I want to suggest we stay on stable GNOME this cycle, the reasons are (in random order): Well you've been following GNOME development for longer than many

Re: Fixing 'unity --reset'

2012-10-15 Thread Didier Roche
Le 15/10/2012 22:14, Jorge O. Castro a écrit : Hi everyone, Some changes to unity this cycle means that "unity --reset" doesn't work. Didrocks sort of explained what needed to happen to make it work and J Phani Mahesh stepped up to the plate taking a stab at it. - https://bitbucket.org/jpmahes

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-15 Thread Tim
On 16/10/12 15:08, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> One element to think about also is how that would impact the GNOME remix if >> the plan there is not ship the latest GNOME... > Seb, I blame the remix idea on you. ;) Anyway, if the GNOME remix > becomes an official flavor, I was hoping to then ask for pe

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-15 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > The other big example this cycle is ibus. GNOME 3.6 doesn't work > properly without a not-released-as-stable version of ibus. > http://pad.lv/1045914 Have you contacted with IBus upstream? Developers of IBus are mostly using Fedora, which shi

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] Default file manager

2012-10-15 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 13 October 2012 04:57, Omer Akram wrote: >> - GtkMenuButton needs to export its menus to dbus for use by the HUD > > there.. that is the thing that i don't like at all... we need to patch > nautilus to show a complete menu bar. nautilus (and other gnome apps) with > just one menu + settings cog

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-15 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 15 October 2012 13:50, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > That's going to be a controversial topic but I want to suggest we stay on > stable GNOME this cycle, the reasons are (in random order): Well you've been following GNOME development for longer than many of us. What is it that's making GNOME 3 rel

[Desktop13.04-Topic] accessibility

2012-10-15 Thread Jeremy Bicha
I have three accessibility items. First, I'd like to drop the HighContrastInverse & LowContrast themes. GNOME dropped support for these two themes late this cycle and they can no longer be set in an unpatched gnome-control-center. The idea is that this one theme will be significantly better than t

Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-15 Thread Robert Ancell
On 16/10/12 08:19, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 15/10/2012 21:10, Ted Gould a écrit : >> I don't believe that >> happened in the Q cycle, do we think that we could get upstart > Hey, > > James pinged me recently because foundation is planning work for next > cycle and wanted to know what's the most

Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-15 Thread Robert Ancell
On 16/10/12 09:23, Ted Gould wrote: > On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 21:19 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: >> Le 15/10/2012 21:10, Ted Gould a écrit : >>> I don't believe that >>> happened in the Q cycle, do we think that we could get upstart >> James pinged me recently because foundation is planning work fo

Re: Better Maintenance of IBus, i.e., the Input Framework

2012-10-15 Thread Ma Xiaojun
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Thanks for your email. Could you give details on what in ibus 1.5 is > gnome-shell specific? Could it be adapted to work on other desktop > environments? http://desktopi18n.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ibus-setup-for-1-5.png ( Compare with

Re: Better Maintenance of IBus, i.e., the Input Framework

2012-10-15 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 15 October 2012 17:14, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 03/10/2012 01:58, Ma Xiaojun a écrit : > >> IBus upstream is working on 1.5 branch which removed and changed some >> feature to accommodate GNOME Shell. >> So what about Unity? > > Hey, > > Thanks for your email. Could you give details on what

Re: Better Maintenance of IBus, i.e., the Input Framework

2012-10-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 03/10/2012 01:58, Ma Xiaojun a écrit : IBus upstream is working on 1.5 branch which removed and changed some feature to accommodate GNOME Shell. So what about Unity? Hey, Thanks for your email. Could you give details on what in ibus 1.5 is gnome-shell specific? Could it be adapted to work o

Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-15 Thread Ted Gould
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 21:19 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 15/10/2012 21:10, Ted Gould a écrit : > > I don't believe that > > happened in the Q cycle, do we think that we could get upstart > > James pinged me recently because foundation is planning work for next > cycle and wanted to know wha

Fixing 'unity --reset'

2012-10-15 Thread Jorge O. Castro
Hi everyone, Some changes to unity this cycle means that "unity --reset" doesn't work. Didrocks sort of explained what needed to happen to make it work and J Phani Mahesh stepped up to the plate taking a stab at it. - https://bitbucket.org/jpmahesh/unity-reset/src/00e73b345dae/reset-gio.py?at=ma

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] Default file manager

2012-10-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 13/10/2012 21:33, Dylan McCall a écrit : I agree with you to the extent that Nautilus 3.6 doesn't fit well with Unity, but this is not localized to Nautilus. This is _almost every GNOME app going forwards_. Right, at the same time I think you listed most of GNOME there, so going "forwards" it

Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 15/10/2012 21:10, Ted Gould a écrit : I don't believe that happened in the Q cycle, do we think that we could get upstart Hey, James pinged me recently because foundation is planning work for next cycle and wanted to know what's the most important on the list for desktop. I said it would b

Re: Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-15 Thread Ted Gould
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 09:02 +0200, Didier Roche wrote: > In the past cycles, we saw our memory need for an user session > increasing quite a lot. One of the consequence is that our battery life > on laptop diminished. > I think having a session discussing and trying to review if we can work > on

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-15 Thread Michael Terry
I'm a fan of this for quality reasons. Shipping very latest GNOME used to give Ubuntu a cutting edge feel, but nowadays, shiny new Ubuntu features tend to come from Unity and friends. The interesting new user-facing changes that GNOME brings are (mostly) in Shell. So I don't think the defaul

Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 15/10/2012 19:50, Sebastien Bacher a écrit : - the new version of libraries might have APIs our app writers might want to use On that I would note that we should keep a ppa for the unstable serie packages, open to contributions. Most app writer do want to target users of stable users out

[Desktop13.04-Topic] GNOME plans review

2012-10-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Hey, That's a "classic", we usually review our plans for GNOME for the next cycle. That's going to be a controversial topic but I want to suggest we stay on stable GNOME this cycle, the reasons are (in random order): - tracking unstable GNOME is taking lot of resources that we don't invest

Re: [Desktop 13.04-Topic] Discussing PS-related product processes

2012-10-15 Thread Jeremy Bicha
Adding ubuntu-doc to the CC list as this seems more a FF/UIFE discussion than a -desktop discussion. On 15 October 2012 03:43, Didier Roche wrote: > Hey everyone, > > as you probably know already, PS is our upstream for a lot of desktop > components nowadays (Unity, compiz, webapps, indicators, m

Re: [Desktop 13.04-Topic] Discussing PS-related product processes

2012-10-15 Thread Micah Gersten
On 10/15/2012 02:43 AM, Didier Roche wrote: > Hey everyone, > > as you probably know already, PS is our upstream for a lot of desktop > components nowadays (Unity, compiz, webapps, indicators, multi touch > stack...). > The past cycle has been a real ride in term of features, which spawn > the rele

Re: [Desktop 13.04-Topic] Discussing PS-related product processes

2012-10-15 Thread Omer Akram
In case anyone does not know what PS stands for (which I am sure many don't). Its Product Strategy previously called DX-team. On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Didier Roche wrote: > Hey everyone, > > as you probably know already, PS is our upstream for a lot of desktop > components nowadays (Un

[Desktop 13.04-Topic] Discussing PS-related product processes

2012-10-15 Thread Didier Roche
Hey everyone, as you probably know already, PS is our upstream for a lot of desktop components nowadays (Unity, compiz, webapps, indicators, multi touch stack...). The past cycle has been a real ride in term of features, which spawn the release team, translation team and documentation team wit

Trying to reduce our memory and battery footprint

2012-10-15 Thread Didier Roche
Hey guys, In the past cycles, we saw our memory need for an user session increasing quite a lot. One of the consequence is that our battery life on laptop diminished. I think having a session discussing and trying to review if we can work on the more offending daemons, disabling some plugins a