Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Martin Pitt
Rick Spencer [2011-04-07 18:38 -0700]: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. For the record, this is currently purely a design decision, not a technical problem. Unity does have a systray, but most applications are not

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Martin Pitt
Alex Launi [2011-04-07 23:46 -0400]: I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel at home. I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior now; I'm particularly missing the

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Alex Launi
I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel at home. I bounce back and forth between ubuntu and osx, and when nvidia was broken, and when I'm in osx, I often find myself trying to 4 finger slide, throwing my mouse to 0,0, tapping super, and generally evoking unity

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Brian Curtis
Hi all, I think I can offer some opinions on this without repeating what others say too much. I want to compare this to the decision a few releases ago to make Empathy the default IM client in Ubuntu. Then why I think Unity should become the default desktop session and not classic GNOME.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia 2011-04-07, czw o godzinie 22:00 -0400, Jorge O. Castro pisze: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. According to the AppIndicator

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/4/8 Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com: I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior now; I'm particularly missing the super-fast keyboard shortcuts/search/navigation and bigger screen real estate.

Re: Using something better than Gobby for session notes at UDS

2011-04-08 Thread Alan Bell
I was the one who did the demo of our little memory constrained Etherpad server at UDS-M and yes, a room full of developers all loading the user interface of the same pad all at once did cause it to run out of memory pretty quick, however that was purely a function of it not being set up to

Server Team 20110405 meeting minutes

2011-04-08 Thread james . page
Hi, Here are the minutes of the server team meeting. They can also be found online with the irc logs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20110405. Meeting Actions * Daviey to submit UDS-O topic for translations and docs * jamespage to helpout with verification

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Dave Walker
On 08/04/11 04:46, Alex Launi wrote: I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel at home. I bounce back and forth between ubuntu and osx, and when nvidia was broken, and when I'm in osx, I often find myself trying to 4 finger slide, throwing my mouse to 0,0,

Re: ari-tczew to be excluded from Ubuntu community

2011-04-08 Thread Daniel Holbach
Am 08.04.2011 12:46, schrieb Stephan Adig: Was this a private meeting? When it wasn't, could you point to the irclogs? It was a rather long email exchange between the CC and the DMB. In addition to that there were a number of CC and DMB who spent hours talking to various people who were

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2011/4/8 Neil Jagdish Patel neil.pa...@canonical.com: 3.8.4 should be much, much more stable, especially if you're on a 64-bit system. The entire team is concentrated on crashers and I think we'll have a very stable Unity by hard-freeze. Sounds good, and yes I've 64-bit which explains a bit.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Neil Jagdish Patel
Hi, On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 11:13 +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote: 2011/4/8 Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com: I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior now; I'm particularly missing the super-fast

Patch pilot report

2011-04-08 Thread Didier Roche
Hey ubuntu-devel list, here is my patch pilot report of the day (and not politing report like last time ;)) https://code.launchpad.net/~marcobiscaro2112/unity/fixes-748676/+merge/56836 - The branch looks code, however, it's a design change and we need some additional information from the ayatana

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Martin Pitt
Neil Jagdish Patel [2011-04-08 11:38 +0100]: I'll be looking into this, I believe it's because we needlessly initialise the place-daemons during log-in. Does that include zeitgeist? As a Python program, it has a pretty heavy impact on the login sequence. In previous releases we tried to keep it

Re: ari-tczew to be excluded from Ubuntu community

2011-04-08 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Benjamin Drung bdr...@ubuntu.com wrote: Am Freitag, den 08.04.2011, 09:02 -0400 schrieb Scott Kitterman: I believe that the body of evidence that formed the basis for this decision should be made available on request to Ubuntu Members that are interested. This

Test version of Upstart with full chroot support available

2011-04-08 Thread James Hunt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, As a precursor to pushing this update out to Natty next week, I've updated my upstart-testing PPA with Upstart version 0.9.5-1ubuntu1: ppa:jamesodhunt/upstart-testing Code is here:

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Martin Pitt
Jorge O. Castro [2011-04-07 22:00 -0400]: We've been transitioning since 10.04 now so I don't think this should be attributed to Unity entirely, we could have easily run into this by not shipping the notification area in classic mode. Well, we can always break things harder, but IMHO this is a

Re: Test version of Upstart with full chroot support available

2011-04-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, April 08, 2011 11:51:48 AM James Hunt wrote: Hi All, As a precursor to pushing this update out to Natty next week, I've updated my upstart-testing PPA with Upstart version 0.9.5-1ubuntu1: ppa:jamesodhunt/upstart-testing Code is here:

Re: ari-tczew to be excluded from Ubuntu community

2011-04-08 Thread Loïc Minier
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011, Steve Langasek wrote: Do we have something similar to debian-private in Ubuntu? God forbid :p Eh; yet it would still be less private than the subset of people who made the decision, while not being entirely public. Such a permanent list would have potential for abuse

Re: Using something better than Gobby for session notes at UDS

2011-04-08 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:32 PM, James Troup james.tr...@canonical.com wrote: I appreciate the frustration people have with gobby and I'd be happy to run something better if that's what you guys want to do - the only thing I'd ask is that someone package Etherpad first[1]. Hi James, I started

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Kees Cook
Hi Rick, On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 06:38:27PM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote: Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay the

Home button

2011-04-08 Thread Sandra
Hey, yesterday I upgrade to new Ubuntu, it looks nice. I wonder about round home button in corner - I can't find a way how to add a shortcuts there. If that's not possible yet it would be nice if you could add app shortcuts there by your choice, so that I don't have to search them every time (and

Ubuntu 11.04 beta problem

2011-04-08 Thread Oscar Gutierrez Parra
Hey guys!! I've been following Ubuntu since version 7.10, and never had trouble of freezing until this beta 11.04. Is it normal for being a test version?! or is ti a bug! Also i find quite irritating tha the side bar cannot be fixed at will and keeps hiding everytime you try to reach it.

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Patrick Goetz
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 08:55:06 Martin Pitt wrote [regarding Unity]: I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior now; I'm particularly missing the super-fast keyboard shortcuts/search/navigation and

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Remco
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 19:38, Patrick Goetz pgo...@mail.utexas.edu wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 08:55:06 Martin Pitt wrote [regarding Unity]: I couldn't have believed it even two months ago still, but today I feel the same. When I switch back to classic GNOME it feels inferior now; I'm

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Alan Pope
On 8 April 2011 18:38, Patrick Goetz pgo...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:  I'm assuming most developers and power users use point to focus, as we do.  Having the menu in the taskbar creates a unique problem for point to focus users; https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/674138 Al. --

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-08 Thread Patrick Goetz
On 04/08/2011 01:05 PM, Remco wrote: You have a Firefox window with a Terminal just above it. As soon as you move to the terminal window, focus switches to the terminal. But the menu is still the Firefox menu for 1 second. After the delay, the menu switches to Terminal. Note first that point

What piece of software in Ubuntu could be easily optimized?

2011-04-08 Thread Robert Kozikowski
Hello, I am student at Warsaw University and I am doing the classes about the software optimization. For the final project we have to optimize any piece of open source program. I have been using Ubuntu since always so I thought that I could ask this question here. Are there any programs in

Re: What piece of software in Ubuntu could be easily optimized?

2011-04-08 Thread Phillip Susi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have no idea whether it is easy or not, but gnome-system-monitor is horribly inefficient and has a LOT of room for optimization. On 04/09/2011 12:13 AM, Robert Kozikowski wrote: Hello, I am student at Warsaw University and I am doing the