Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Rick Spencer
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 23:29 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rick Spencer wrote on 15/04/11 15:08: > > > > First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning > > and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rick Spencer wrote on 15/04/11 15:08: > > First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning > and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in > interpreting and writing up the results. It's clear that there are some

Re: Test version of Upstart with full chroot support available

2011-04-15 Thread James Hunt
On 11/04/11 16:01, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from James Hunt's message of Fri Apr 08 08:51:48 -0700 2011: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi All, >> >> As a precursor to pushing this update out to Natty next week, I've >> updated my upstart-testing PPA with Upstart ver

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Martin Owens
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 13:00 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > the target audience for Ubuntu. People who have never used Ubuntu before? I hope the day comes when we run out of that audience. Martin, -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe a

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Toby Smithe
2011/4/15 Matthew Paul Thomas : > *   8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to >    access them by hovering over maximized close/minimize/unmaximize >    buttons then moving horizontally -- which was extremely slow, and >    failed whenever the window wasn't maximized. W

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-15 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:17:32AM -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 13:16 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:41:22PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 02:17:47PM -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > > I don't think we should do this unless we also

Re: Patch Pilot Report 2011-04-15

2011-04-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 15, 2011, at 04:36 PM, Scott Moser wrote: >== merges need/needed to be marked accepted == >* lp:~barry/ubuntu/natty/pyopenssl/bug-758037 > http://pad.lv/758037 > > https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu/natty/pyopenssl/bug-758037/+merge/57494 > merge proposal has been accepted. this n

Re: gnome-panel using way to much CPU

2011-04-15 Thread john
Hi Steve, Home isn't networked but there is a directory sitting in home that is via nfs. Do you have any insight into why networked folders might cause an issue? I am thinking about simply killing Gnome-panel periodically since it seems to respawn in a well behaved manor. Still looking into this..

Re: Patch Pilot Report 2011-04-15

2011-04-15 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Scott Moser wrote: [...] > * lp:~mathieu-tl/geoclue/lp738584 >  The link in the sponsorship page is bad for this: >   https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/geoclue/lp738584/+merge/56980 >   it gives 404. This is my fault, sorry. I noticed my merge request was inc

Patch Pilot Report 2011-04-15

2011-04-15 Thread Scott Moser
I did make some progress. One overall theme I see is that there are things in that queue that should not be there. That means that patch-pilots (or anyone using it, really) potentially lose time reading bugs and coming to the conclusion that "this is not ready". I'm not a member of ubuntu-sponso

Re: gnome-panel using way to much CPU

2011-04-15 Thread john
Hi all, I should add that I am running Ubuntu Lucid AMD 64 with 32 bit images on my clients John On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, john wrote: > Hi all, -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 01:33:27PM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Bryce Harrington wrote on 15/04/11 06:48: > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > Also, these tests measure usability, but not their overall impression. > > Did they like it? Find it frustra

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 07:08:02AM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 22:48 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > > * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to > > > * Only 4/11 worke

Re: Natty:Keyboard mapping selection comes to late during installation

2011-04-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Evan Dandrea wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >> This late in the cycle, I doubt there are any pre-existing plans to >> change the order.  That said, changing the order should be pretty >> straightforward. Is there an open bug agai

Re: Test version of Upstart with full chroot support available

2011-04-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Hunt's message of Fri Apr 15 09:57:07 -0700 2011: > > This is likely because the dbus upstart job has a post-start that sends > > USR1 to pid 1, which is supposed to tell it to re-connect to dbus. > > > > I believe the bug is because the USR1 handler needs to ignore requests >

Re: Natty:Keyboard mapping selection comes to late during installation

2011-04-15 Thread Evan Dandrea
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Alain-Olivier Breysse > wrote: >> Bonjour, >> >> Keyboard mapping selection comes too late during installation. When one >> wants to manually partition the drives on, for example, a French-Canadian >> keybo

Re: Natty:Keyboard mapping selection comes to late during installation

2011-04-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mackenzie Morgan wrote on 15/04/11 16:55: > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Alain-Olivier Breysse >... >> Keyboard mapping selection comes too late during installation. When >> one wants to manually partition the drives on, for example, a >> French-C

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-15 Thread Ted Gould
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 13:16 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:41:22PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 02:17:47PM -0500, Ted Gould wrote: > > > But, I'd also love to see the requirements for Universe be something > > > higher than just the DFSG. For ins

Re: Natty:Keyboard mapping selection comes to late during installation

2011-04-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Alain-Olivier Breysse wrote: > Bonjour, > > Keyboard mapping selection comes too late during installation. When one > wants to manually partition the drives on, for example, a French-Canadian > keyboard, the key mapping selection window hasn't been presented yet (wi

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Rick Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 22:48 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: >> I'm curious whether these stats are higher/lower/same-as with Classic >> Desktop.  IOW this needs a control group so we can tell if the new >> design brings improvement or regressi

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Rick Spencer
First, thanks Usability Team! I know how much work goes into planning and running a study like this, and how much agony is involved in interpreting and writing up the results. It's clear that there are some areas for improvement in 11.10, and these results will be instrumental in helping to guide t

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-15 Thread Leonardo Jose Gamboa Magaña
En Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:26:35 -0500, Martin Owens escribió: On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 04:22 -0700, Scott Ritchie wrote: I think it's the height of arrogance for us to tell a user that we're going to deliberately break his application because it wasn't updated to use our new indicator library. W

Patch Pilot Report 2011-04-15

2011-04-15 Thread TImo Aaltonen
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sea-defender/+bug/745876 - turned into a sync request, 0.9-2 has the FTBFS fix in it https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/ubuntu/natty/openwsman/lp760835/+merge/57790 - test-built, and uploaded to natty https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ucarp

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, April 15, 2011 12:52:58 AM Kate Stewart wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 23:40 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:00:31 PM Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > > In this summary, I have numbered the participants: > > > - P1, 19, a student and Mac user > > > - P2, 33

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kate Stewart wrote on 15/04/11 05:52: > > On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 23:40 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> >> On Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:00:31 PM Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >>> >>> In this summary, I have numbered the participants: >>> - P1, 19, a stud

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryce Harrington wrote on 15/04/11 06:48: > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >> >> * 8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to >> * Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background pi

Re: Yet another incremental package download proposal

2011-04-15 Thread Phillip Susi
On 2/10/2011 11:27 PM, Mehmet Kose wrote: > data.tar will compressed by 100K chunks. Gzip and xz permits this and > can extract without problems. For gzip, there is avoidable small > increase at archive size. For xz, about 10%. Xz with 1 MB chunks, no > big difference. I'm not seeing where in your

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-15 Thread Roth Robert
Hi, As an opinion related to the topic (to appindicator or not to appindicator/to systray or not to systray): I don't know whether this is feasible or not (in some languages it is, in others it is not), but why not support legacy tray items with custom appindicators? As there is legacy systray sup

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

2011-04-15 Thread Christoph Langner
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > I saw a complaint about Dropbox & Keepass yesterday > http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/13/%23ubuntu+1.html#t19:28 > I haven't tried Skype, but seeing as it's proprietary (Dropbox too, I > think?) I doubt they'd modify to fit the indicator

Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

2011-04-15 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Bryce Harrington wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 03:00:31AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >> *   8/10 people could find a window's menus, but 7/8 of them learned to >> *   Only 4/11 worked out how to change the background picture. >> *   6/10 could easily find